If you were called to defend your town...

I live in Manhattan - that's NYC not Kansas - the surrender monkeys would rollover so faster than Paris did - after all the residents of this once fine city either come from Europe or aspire to be like them.They hate America.

As soon as my gun came out of the safe they would turn me in to the occupying force.
I plan to take my family and bug out.

M1A with about four or five mags and and my Sig P226 .40 S&W, five mags.

Depending on the area I needed to secure I might consider my 870 to replace my M1A.

Thats why I would hope that there are veterans in your towns to make sure that people arent humping too much gear.

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There's not many of us. Here's how it will go: we'll advise people not to
carry their 2 rifles, shotgun, and 2 handguns; they'll say "thanks for the
advice, but I'm doing it anyway", they'll walk about 200 yds and start
dropping weapons.

This will be followed by half their loaded mags, the 4 boxes of lithium
batteries, the spotting scope, the binocs, the laser range-finder, etc
starting about 500 yds.

This assumes their pair of $30 chinese boots don't come apart at the
stitches along the way...

Hopefuly there will be retired or active or inactive military types in this town that would whip this motley bunch into a usable force.
Either for a defensive perimeter, and maybe the gung ho into a offensive .

All the excess weapons, ammo could be stockpiled and used as needed.

I Would Have To Get Word To The Town That I'll Need Some Help Loading Up To Come

Half will want to sit out 1500 yards and play "shooting gallery". The other half will still be humping three hundred pounds of gear in their tactical carts, and will give the guys a mile away something to shoot at when bad guys start to pick up shed gear and guns.
140 Surefire lights will light the place up like a stadium till CR123s start to peter out, then they'll all be blind as bats. It'll all come apart when the first hammer falls and the eighty two guys in front start to bumpfire towards the enemy in a well thought out graceful display of "spray and pray". In less time than it takes to score in a rodeo the first shower of steel and brass cases finish raining down on the guy to your right. Just as the smoke begins to clear you hear the crack of sniper fire WAAAYYY off in the distance. Your buddy takes one in the thigh. Because, to be honest, those guys in the neighboring county really can't hit squat from that far away.
I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm pointing out that very few of us (including myself) really know what to expect. Some will actually make things worse.
If you feel strongly about defending your town, the time is now to talk to those like minded souls that surround you. Figure out your options are, and form some sort of an agreement about what to do. I believe the phrase is "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". Not "Buncha guys that bought some ARs"
Just sayin'

I think I will carry my 308 Scout Rifle with no more than 50 rds. of ammo plus my Colt gov't Model 45 ACP with 2 extra clips.
Then I will walk a safe distance behind the guys carrying 2 rifles, 1 shotgun, one sidearm and 300-400 rds. of ammo(for each). I figure that sight will be so comical, it'll quickly turn any nasty situation into Comedy Central.

35W

Have to quote "Ronin" -LOL

It's a toolbox...you pick the right tool for the job-LOL


In my case as far as rambo stuff goes I'm comfortable with most any assault rifle platform...I of course preffer something of quallity in the AR-15 carbine family...prefferably with an eotech or aimpoint on it (prefferably Colt or RRA while we're at it) I of course don't intend to go play rambo...they can have the town...they just better stay out of the country

As far as personal up close deffense I love the old 1911....but my arse would be toting the same GLOCK 22 .40 I carry every day (with two spare mags at least in this case though)...not sexy or interresting but a 9/40 GLOCK is hard to beat when you don't have time to care about being "gun chique" -they work when you need them to and don't rust inbetween. I shoot them well...they work...nuff said.

Reaching out the same rifle I hunt with and shoot jugs with at long distance every year out at the club (off season on the powerline cut-through to 800 yards) Old Ruger M77mkII SS with Nikon 3-9x40 scope camoed out head to toe with walmart camo paint. I can nail a tide jug at 600 yards with surprising regularly with my handloads. (it has a trigger job at 2 3/4 #'s shimmed with no wobble...I don't loan this one anymore-LOL) It shoots Hornady 154gr SST ballistic tipped boat tails over a mild 60gr of H4831SC seated to 3.298" (anywhere from 3.290-3.300" works well for me with a lee factory crimp die finish)...the ruger 7 mag chamber is pretty long throated (how a 7 mag should be IMHO for heavier bullets) and the 154gr is the lightest (shortest) bullet it likes. Tried H1000 (great with heavier bullets) and IMR7128 (very decent all around) and a few others...H4831SC is hard to beat in 7mag or .270 for accuracy. It'll shoot a .375" (CTC) group on a good day with no wind.... .450" is the usual best and it averages 3/4" in most conditions on a calm day. (factory ammo shoots 1.5" best...it's a finnicky rifle but it really likes what it likes...handles and shoots well...it fits me really well...I just seem to shoot this better than even nicer rifles I've owned so it has somehow become my favorite. Not very "sniper cool" but it's just my hunting rifle and is a very capable precision tool for drilling holes at long range

My bud shoots a Browning BAR LW camo .300 win mag with a leapould 3-9x50 on it and can shoot just as well with it at 600 yards (blew the cap right off a tide jug at 600 yards showing off when I got cocky this last trip actually...he's hunted out west and has more years than I do at it. Beware old fat guys that have been hunting and shooting longer than most rambo types have been alive reading their swat SOF and gun magazines each month!

As far as the posts premise goes...yeah right...they'd have to be mighty desperate-LOL However in a pinch I do think this country has enough highly skilled marksmen that they'd be better off just nuking or cheming us....because it would be a rather ugly country to try to invade. But then aren't they all?

Have to quote "Ronin" -LOL

It's a toolbox...you pick the right tool for the job-LOL


In my case as far as rambo stuff goes I'm comfortable with most any assault rifle platform...I of course preffer something of quallity in the AR-15 carbine family...prefferably with an eotech or aimpoint on it (prefferably Colt or RRA while we're at it)

As far as personal up close deffense I love the old 1911....but my arse would be toting the same GLOCK 22 .40 I carry every day (with two spare mags at least in this case though)...not sexy or interresting but a 9/40 GLOCK is hard to beat when you don't have time to care about being "gun chique" -they work when you need them to and don't rust inbetween. I shoot them well...they work...nuff said.

Reaching out the same rifle I hunt with and shoot jugs with at long distance every year out at the club (off season on the powerline cut-through to 800 yards) Old Ruger M77mkII SS with Nikon 3-9x40 scope camoed out head to toe with walmart camo paint. I can nail a tide jug at 600 yards with surprising regularly with my handloads. (it has a trigger job at 2 3/4 #'s shimmed with no wobble...I don't loan this one anymore-LOL) It shoots Hornady 154gr SST ballistic tipped boat tails over a mild 60gr of H4831SC seated to 3.298" (anywhere from 3.290-3.298 works well)...the ruger 7 mag chamber is pretty long throated (how a 7 mag should be IMHO for heavier bullets) and the 154gr is the lightest (shortest) bullet it likes. Tried H1000 and IMR7128 and a few others...H4831SC is hard to beat in 7mag or .270 for accuracy. It'll shoot a .375" (CTC) group on a good day with no wind.... .450" is the usual best and it averages 3/4" in most conditions on a calm day. (factory ammo shoots 1.5" best...it's a finnicky rifle but it really likes what it likes...handles and shoots well...it fits me really well...I just seem to shoot this better than even nicer rifles I've owned so it has somehow become my favorite. Not very "sniper cool" but it's my hunting rifle and is a very capable one at that.

My bud shoot a Browning BAR LW camo .300 win mag with a leapould 3-9x50 on it and can shoot just as well with it at 600 yards (blew the cap right off a tide jug at 600 yards showing off when I got cocky this last trip actually...he's hunted out west and has more years than I do at it. Beware old fat guys that have been hunting and shooting longer than most rambo types have been alive

As far as the posts premise goes...yeah right...they'd have to be mighty desperate-LOL However in a pinch I do think this country has enough highly skilled marksmen that they'd be better off just nuking or cheming us....because it would be a rather ugly country to try to invade. But then aren't they all?

An AR-15 and a couple 9 mm Glocks. Primary reason is for ease of ammo availability

I was thinking about this thread today while I cut the lawn.

Basically, a lot of you would end up hating me forever if I were the one organizing this militia. An ad hoc militia is usually a cluster**** waiting to happen in any case; if things are bad enough that this one is needed to defend the town (i.e. our families) then there will be as much military discipline imposed as time permits.
Guys with actual miltary experience, especially combat, will be the noncoms and junior officers. They will be obeyed. Those who cannot follow orders will see the inside of a cell or a bullet, depending on the immediate situation. No veterans? Then guys with knowledge of fieldcraft take those slots. A guy who was in the boyscouts trumps a guy who beat every level of Medal of Honor.
You will have a rifle, ammo for same, a knife, and a canteen when you report to muster. Some basic campng gear will also be acceptable. If you show up with multiple weapons, they will be logged as your property and then redistributed to members who are inadequately or improperly armed. You will not be permitted to try and hump them, thereby making yourself a liability to your squad.
Just because you can afford a toy doesn't mean you get to use it. Show up with a big $$$ "sniper rifle" and you better be prepared to show you can really make it perform, or have good citizens vouch that you can. Otherwise, it will logged as yours and re-issued to somebody who is capable of making the best possible use out of it. You'll get an AR or AK from one of the guys who thought he could carry 2 or 3 rifles.
Shotguns? Those are for guarding prisoners, if we take any. Pistols? Those are going to be logged as yours and re-issued to members whose MOS precludes use of a rifle.
IOW, this dog n' pony show would be run as much as possible like a real army. We would try to function as a cohesive unit, not an armed mob of idiots.
Some of you would hate me forever, I think, but you' d be alive to hate me.

I'd prefer not to go head to head against a trained army in CQC being untrained and being with a bunch of other untrained guys. If I had my choice of weapon and some choice of tactics I'd rather get some practice with marksmanship and do the shoot and scoot marksman/sniper role. I'd need a new gun for that (I'm in the market for a nice bolt rifle), though I could probably use my HBAR AR if I added some optics.

If we were being forced into small unit tactics I'd have to see what others were bringing. I'd probably want to use my SKS- virtually unbreakable, reliable even when very dirty, fairly quick reloads with the stripper clips, attached bayonet, it is far from mint and it is inexpensive so I wouldn't hesitate to treat it the way a weapon in combat may be treated, I have a ton of ammo for it already and more ammo is cheap (I'm assuming if we had to supply our own weapons, we'd have to supply our own ammo). However, I imagine many guys would have ARs so I'd be tempted to use my Bushmaster HBAR AR15: I have several 20 round mags, I have a fair amount of ammo, ammo isn't overly expensive, mags could be shared as needed, it may be nice having guys around who know the gun if it breaks.

For sidearm it would be one of four: my S&W 625 Mountain Gun, my SIG 229 (.40), my SIG 226 (9mm) or my S&W 1911SC.

Since practicality seems to have been thrown out the window on several occasions, I'm just going to say that in such a situation, I'm going to break into a National Guard armory and get an M60 or M2 Bradley.

But truthfully, if I could chose weapons to defend my town with, it'd be pretty similar to what the military is hauling now, for standardization if not much else. Instead of carrying two rifles, I'd probably just carry an AR-15 with two different uppers (one in 5.56x45 and the other in 6.8x43) for added versatility without the extra weight of a whole different rifle. Along with that, about 1,000 battle packed rounds, maybe magazines instead... an M9 bayonet, maybe a 26mm flare launcher... and for a side arm, I'd choose the Springfield XD in .40 S&W. Doesn't get much better for a combat handgun.

Everybody is a sniper

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Yeah, untrained, unorganized, militia (also known as civilians) will have their best chance against a well armed, well trained, military force when acting as "snipers". Even if you aren't a great shot, you are better off taking a shot at the longest distance you can, concealed as best you can, and then scoot. Trying to fight toe to toe in CQC against a well trained enemy would be suicide. I'd much prefer a .22lr bolt rifle and 50 yards (and a concealed position) to CQC with an AR or AK (even full-auto). Heck, a .22lr bolt rifle at 50 yards wouldn't be a bad tool- the .22lr in a long gun at 50 yards won't make that much noise, just let off one shot and they'd have a hard time locating where the shot came from (it may be the ideal weapon in an urban or suburban setting).

.45 Kentucky rifle, and I'll evan bring my own round ball.

Sure, I'll help out. But if you say, "meet me at the Alamo", well, I may have to catch up with ya....

I'd take my AR15, my XD 45 5" and my mossberg 590

Unless someone wants to give me a m240

My Winchester 1300 defender and my Swedish mauser 6.5x55... With the mauser I can shoot head size objects at 300 yards and the 1300 is excellent for close quarters...

But if I could choose freely... A Swedish K 9mm and a Carl Gustav 84 mm anti tank recoilless rifle with pre fragmented HE grenades...

I´m such a bad human beeing... =)

I'm glad someone finally mentioned a .22 rifle.

I don't have a .22 rifle, so I guess I'd bring my Marlin 1894C and two boxes (100 rounds each) of .38-44 High Velocity ammo, cuz that's what I have ready. One box of ammo (heck, a pocketful of ammo) would probably be enough.

lets make a assumption that the government embraces the concept of a citizen militia for active defense, and for whatever reason, there has been a call to muster the local citizen militia,

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this time of year they can have the town!!!! My nice quiet easy going little fishing village is a major tourist hang out:banghead: I am surround and by rude liberal moonbats..... its literally like a swarm locust

I think I would just walk in the back gate of MCB Camp Lejeune with a couple of my heavy barreled Varmint Rifle and just blast away at my leisure

Well my primary would be my 1903a3 30-06, secondary would be my Mossberg 500 12ga shooting 000 shot or slugs, and id probably have my S&W 9mm in my belt.

i was thinking 22 does that count.

sure can carry alot more ammo if you have a 22 if you wound 1 it takes 3 out of the fight

(only works with a civilize army)

actually I've rethought my answer....

it's just so clear now....I'd bring a wheelbarrow a shovel and a couple friends with pistols wheelbarrows and shovels.

First we dig a hole far to the rear of the militia assembly line...fortify it and place the wheelbarrows upside down and camo them out....then we slide in under them and wait for morning (occassionaly watching the routing and mayhem out of the small viewing port we dug at the front.

An hour after sunrise the armchair comando battle having been over in just 30 minutes and everything being dead burnt or flatened by artillary air support we get up....flip the wheelbarrows over and start picking up all those rifles handguns dozens of mags lights CR123 batts and case after case of ammo. I figure by noon I can open up another pawn and gun shop...maybe several!!

And to answer the other guys response...no just everybody from AL. is a sniper (maybe some from GA. and MS. to...everyone else just has to pretend...in fact my buds daughter is nine and she's already been one since she was 5!!...just how we grow them down here