Was debating wether or not to bring my AR's to Hawaii. I have never seen or heard of a 10 rd magazine. Is it illegal to utilize my issue magazines at the on post range? I was thinking about bringing a G19 and M4, but might lean towards a 1911 and SKS for boar hunting. What do you guys think? Oh yeah, can't forget the 22lr.
Schofield Barracks, HI
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Tommygunn
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Hawaii has some very restrictive gun laws. Not saying you can't bring your guns BUT MAKE SURE YOU CAN DO SO LEGALLY BEFORE YOU LEAVE!
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...that there are five-round magazines for AR-15's (in fact I have one lying around somewhere). However, I seem to recall that Hawaii bans as "assault weapons" firearms capable of accepting a high-capacity magazine. Check this one out; my recollection is based on something to do with 15-round magazines for the M1 Carbine and the Universal Enforcer pistol, which was essentially a cut-down version of the M1 Carbine.
...that there are five-round magazines for AR-15's (in fact I have one lying around somewhere). However, I seem to recall that Hawaii bans as "assault weapons" firearms capable of accepting a high-capacity magazine. Check this one out; my recollection is based on something to do with 15-round magazines for the M1 Carbine and the Universal Enforcer pistol, which was essentially a cut-down version of the M1 Carbine.
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DougW
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My son was stationed the last 3 years at Schofield. Her did not take any of his PW's to that base.
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You certainly can have an AR-15 there, but I'm not sure if they still labor under the AWB that prevents the bayonet lug, collapsible stock, etc. Was there in 2000-2001 and semi-auto mag fed rifles were present in abundance.
If you live on post you will have to submit to the regulations of the post of course.
Be prepared to make a LONG trip down to the Honolulu police department to register all of your firearms. Have to bring all the guns as well so they can record the serial numbers.
Grab your one-year long arm permit while you are there as they do have several decent gun shops (Danny's out on Windward was the best, if he is still around) and the bi-annual gun show. Pistols purchases are a very tedious process involving about three trips to the police department in total.
If Arnold Teves of the Firearms Academy of Hawaii is still operating, his instruction is VERY good and back then the prices were pretty reasonable.
If you live on post you will have to submit to the regulations of the post of course.
Be prepared to make a LONG trip down to the Honolulu police department to register all of your firearms. Have to bring all the guns as well so they can record the serial numbers.
Grab your one-year long arm permit while you are there as they do have several decent gun shops (Danny's out on Windward was the best, if he is still around) and the bi-annual gun show. Pistols purchases are a very tedious process involving about three trips to the police department in total.
If Arnold Teves of the Firearms Academy of Hawaii is still operating, his instruction is VERY good and back then the prices were pretty reasonable.
Ala Dan
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I've NEVER been to Hawaii; as a solider, or a PFC (read between the lines)~!
But, I can just imagine that I would thorougly love it; and probably could
adjust to the gun laws~?
But, I can just imagine that I would thorougly love it; and probably could
adjust to the gun laws~?
Claude Clay
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really nice that you are going there.
my dad was there in his army days. he was stationed at schofield barracks and due to be discharged dec 8, 1941. on the morning of the 7th he was packing when..........
the movie 'from hell to eternity' i was told has elements of his units adventures.
Tommy.....may well of been "Here" probably was: though he said it was 'hell when he was there'
my dad was there in his army days. he was stationed at schofield barracks and due to be discharged dec 8, 1941. on the morning of the 7th he was packing when..........
the movie 'from hell to eternity' i was told has elements of his units adventures.
Tommy.....may well of been "Here" probably was: though he said it was 'hell when he was there'
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Hopefully, your Dad was copied for the Burt Lancaster role!
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It's "From Here to Eternity".johnsonrlp
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Just left there a couple years ago. Be prepared to take all your guns to the police station to register them. Really poor attitude on guns island wide, including some commanders. Only a couple ranges. Good boar hunting though.
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There is some hi-power, plenty of shilouette and .22LR. There was a cowboy action league when I was there in 2001. IDPAish shoots were intermittantly hosted by FAH.
Ah Hawaii. My first tour was there. If you ever have friends or family wanting to visit you, get a roo reserved at the Hale Koa. That was probably one of if not the nicest hotel on the island and its owned by the DOD. Parking there is excellent for military personnel also.
You cannot have an AR magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.
Large cap magazines are OK for AKs
No hi cap (>10) magazines for handguns
All firearms must be registered within 3 days of your or your firearms arrival in the State.
I would suggest that you remove and leave at home any magazines for any firearm that you take into register - it is not required that you have them with the firearm when registering and can lead to some difficulties if the officer believes them to be illegal.
Possession of a hig cap magazine is a misdameanor; if inserted in a firearm, it's a felony. There is essentially no concealed or open carry in Hawaii, and that includes your car.
Getting a permit to aquire a longgun is a good idea, especially since you'll be at HPD for a while registering your guns anyways.
There is some competition shooting here, both IDPA and IPSC. The cowboy action shoots still happen. There is a "fun shoot" at one of the action bays at Kokohead range once a month for HRA members and a class once a month that meets the "educational" requirements for obtaining a permit to aquire a handgun once a month at the same action bay.
If you need any additional info, PM me and I'll try to get you the info you need. Once you get here, look into the Hawaii Rifle Association, and come out to shoot with us.
Good luck and aloha,
Large cap magazines are OK for AKs
No hi cap (>10) magazines for handguns
All firearms must be registered within 3 days of your or your firearms arrival in the State.
I would suggest that you remove and leave at home any magazines for any firearm that you take into register - it is not required that you have them with the firearm when registering and can lead to some difficulties if the officer believes them to be illegal.
Possession of a hig cap magazine is a misdameanor; if inserted in a firearm, it's a felony. There is essentially no concealed or open carry in Hawaii, and that includes your car.
Getting a permit to aquire a longgun is a good idea, especially since you'll be at HPD for a while registering your guns anyways.
There is some competition shooting here, both IDPA and IPSC. The cowboy action shoots still happen. There is a "fun shoot" at one of the action bays at Kokohead range once a month for HRA members and a class once a month that meets the "educational" requirements for obtaining a permit to aquire a handgun once a month at the same action bay.
If you need any additional info, PM me and I'll try to get you the info you need. Once you get here, look into the Hawaii Rifle Association, and come out to shoot with us.
Good luck and aloha,
Wakal
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My wife and I lived on Schofield during our three year minimum-security sentence to the Oahu Penal Colony before we were released and allowed to return to America.
The base has an active civilian club that shoots on one of the training ranges every weekend. Open shooting, with a sort of IDPA-ish "combat pistol" thing every Sunday morning. Storage in (married) quarters is fine.
There was one public range on the far side of the island, run by bullseye-obsessed range Nazis. The range (not the Nazis) has clubs that hold Cowboy, IPSC, IDPA, and other (pin, etc.) shoots on occasion.
Arnold Teves is a C-class (at best) IPSC shooter. I took a Chuck Taylor (and a Ayoob) class with the man, and he would not shut up (nor could he shoot well). Actual mileage may vary, depending on if you like guys with bloused tacticool pants and equally tacticool polo shirts who can't actually shoot fast and accurately under stress...or not.
The gun shows were great. The gun laws suck on toast. My opinion of the People's Democratic Republic of Hawaii and the few (but vocal) radically racist Hawaiians that run the asylum should be clear by now
Alex
PS Go see the USS Missouri. Cool as hell.
The base has an active civilian club that shoots on one of the training ranges every weekend. Open shooting, with a sort of IDPA-ish "combat pistol" thing every Sunday morning. Storage in (married) quarters is fine.
There was one public range on the far side of the island, run by bullseye-obsessed range Nazis. The range (not the Nazis) has clubs that hold Cowboy, IPSC, IDPA, and other (pin, etc.) shoots on occasion.
Arnold Teves is a C-class (at best) IPSC shooter. I took a Chuck Taylor (and a Ayoob) class with the man, and he would not shut up (nor could he shoot well). Actual mileage may vary, depending on if you like guys with bloused tacticool pants and equally tacticool polo shirts who can't actually shoot fast and accurately under stress...or not.
The gun shows were great. The gun laws suck on toast. My opinion of the People's Democratic Republic of Hawaii and the few (but vocal) radically racist Hawaiians that run the asylum should be clear by now
Alex
PS Go see the USS Missouri. Cool as hell.
USPSA: http://www.mppl.net, http://www.honolulurhatrhatboyz.com/
High Power: http://www.puuloa.com
Cowboy: http://sashgunclub.com/
Bullseye: Chinese Gun Club(website is down)
Actually, you can. Magnum and Gun Source sell standard cap AR mags(every other gun shop on Oahu does not). This is a gray area, that's why some shop sell, some don't. Hawaii Rifle Association has taken the cautious route and don't encourage standard capacity AR mags. I don't agree with their stance - a 2A organization being conservative about this issue is silly... especially when two gun shops openly sell standard caps. Police don't care about standard capacity AR mags. Police and state AG office see the law as it is currently written to be too vague to be enforceable. Kokohead shooting range doesn't allow standard cap AR mags, but this point is moot because range policy state you cannot load more than 5 rounds into your firearm at the rifle range anyways.
I don't shoot at the pistol range so I wouldn't know about those range officers. But, the rifle range is run by very nice range officers. Patient and cordial to new comers and veterans a like.
Get a nice S&W Model 686 .357 magnum revolver and a Marlin 1984 carbine in .357 magnum. Perhaps a Browning Buckmark 22LR Camper semi- automatic and a Marlin 22 caliber bolt action rifle.The Browning Buckmark only comes with a ten round magazine by the way. Nice non-controversial firearms with no scary assault weapon features. Well actually the Buckmark Camper is all black with rubber grips. Might be a problem.Who knows?
Spent fourteen years in the United States Army and, for the most part, concluded that the U.S. Army does not approve of soldiers having their own firearms. Goverment issued only thank you.IMHO.
Hawaii is definitely a Left Wing gun haters paradise. Pretty state, but if it was an independent country privately owned firearms would be totally illegal.Of this I have no doubt. Again IMHO.
Spent fourteen years in the United States Army and, for the most part, concluded that the U.S. Army does not approve of soldiers having their own firearms. Goverment issued only thank you.IMHO.
Hawaii is definitely a Left Wing gun haters paradise. Pretty state, but if it was an independent country privately owned firearms would be totally illegal.Of this I have no doubt. Again IMHO.
You are correct in that the prohibition (or should I say perceived prohibition) in regards to the AR magazines is a grey area. The relevant Hawaii statue reads:
HRA, or more correctly Lessons in Firearms Safety (LIFE), has taken the position that based on the way the law reads, we will interprete it to mean that high (or standard) capacity AR magazines are illegal. As with all of our interpretations of Hawaii or Federal law, we suggest that if the student feels it is wrong, they should consult a lawyer. If your interpretation is that it is not illegal and you wish to buy or own them, then by all means, go ahead. I for one am not rich enough to want to be the test case should some cranky HPD officer or proscecuting attorney decide to call you on the issue.
As far as a 2A organization (LIFE or HRA) being conservative about this issue, you may be right again, but I disagree with it being "silly." The last thing our organization needs is a liability suit. Maybe if all the gun owners in Hawaii joined and actively participated in HRA our coffers would be sufficiently full to be able to take a less conservative stance at the risk of costly legal action.
I haven't been able to make it down to Gun Source yet to check them out, but hear that they are pretty good.
xjchief
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HIcarry makes a good point, caution is the best policy with Hawaii's completely ridiculous gun laws and the State's eagerness to prosecute firearms violations- real or perceived.
jason10mm
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Meh, I could care less how well he shoots IPSC, I'm more concerned about mindset and the quality of his training. When I trained with him I thought it was pretty good. Not as intense as, say, Tactical Response, but jives well with training from other instructors I've had.
And, at least in 2001, he was the only game in town. I did take a shooting mechanics class with a guy down at that indoor range in Honolulu (Magnum?), THAT guy was obsessed with eating out the center of a bullseye, to be sure. All good stuff for the toolbox.
The Hawaiians are big hunters and there is a HUGE bullseye contingent from the Phillipeans. I think their laws are structured more around the guy with 1-2 bolt action rifles and a skeet gun, rather than the EBR collector. Just a quick look at who
shoots at the public range down by Diamondhead shows who their main base is.
I did a big EBR build-up right before the Bush/Gore election and WOW, did the police hate me
I still shudder to think about how much some of those rifles cost out there.
Wakal
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If they have valid skills, I have no problem...everyone has something to teach at any level of performance. But when Chuck Taylor or Mas Ayoob is talking (both men who can teach and shoot magnificently), the poor-shooting little boy in the bloused tactipants should drink his glass of shut the hell up
I was dealing with him 1996-1999, so maybe he has actually practiced since then
Alex
I was dealing with him 1996-1999, so maybe he has actually practiced since then
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