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http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/08/14/news/state/75-duncan.txt

Idaho jury hears horrid detail of family murders

On the night of the murders, Duncan crept across a field to the home, using a low-visibility red-bulb flashlight to guide his way. He peered into a window and saw the children sleeping. One of the family dogs saw him and growled, frightening him enough that he retreated to the fence, Moss said.

"He made a decision: 'If that back door is locked, I'm going to abort,'" Moss said Duncan later told police.

When he turned the handle, it opened. Then the terror began.

This reads like the plot of a horror movie. Unfortunately, the family played their part like those in horror movies by leaving their door unlocked and apparently not having any plan for security of their home.

A rare occurrence to be sure, but such a horrific and preventable outcome :(
 
I don't know if the locked door really would've stopped him in the long run.

He would have just modified his plan to account for the dogs. Someone with a history of sexual violence doesn't loose his taste for power, revenge, and satisfaction because of locked doors.

Maybe it would've saved this family, maybe not, but one thing is for sure: he would have killed again, wether it was this family or another.

I would hope my dogs would bark instead of a low growl....:uhoh:
 
My car doors are locked even when the cars are inside the closed-n-locked garage.

Have not left a door unlocked at night since uhhhhh 1963 or so.
 
In case the link ever goes dead:
Idaho jury hears horrid detail of family murders
By The Associated Press
BOISE, Idaho - The crime was meticulously planned, the killer choreographing every step from his surveillance of the doomed family to the videotaped torture of one of his youngest victims.

Yet something as simple as a locked back door, or fiercer family dogs, might have turned Joseph Edward Duncan III away.

Duncan's federal sentencing hearing opened Wednesday with U.S. Attorney Thomas Moss outlining how the convicted pedophile terrorized the Groene family, all because he wanted to "live out his fantasy" and exact revenge on society for perceived wrongs.

Duncan pleaded guilty last year to 10 federal charges in the kidnapping of two siblings, ages 8 and 9, and the murder of the older child. The jury will determine whether he should serve life in prison or be executed.

Moss told jurors they'd have to watch video footage of the sexual torture of 9-year-old Dylan Groene, filmed shortly before Duncan killed him.

Duncan forced 8-year-old Shasta Groene, the sole survivor, to watch the video. He also made her watch as he killed her brother, jurors were told.

Duncan, who is representing himself, told the jury Wednesday that most of what Moss said was fair and accurate "up to the point of what occurred at the campground."

He said he would testify so he could try to "clarify things."

His standby legal counsel, Judy Clarke, has said Duncan doesn't plan to offer any mitigation, such as evidence of his own traumatic childhood.

Shasta's videotaped statements to police will tell her story in court. It's not known if she will offer a victim impact statement.

Duncan's past is littered with arrests and prison time for crimes ranging from car theft to rape and molestation. He is suspected in the 1996 slayings of two half-sisters from Seattle and is charged with the 1997 killing of a young boy in Riverside County, Calif.

In 2005, he went to Idaho. Duncan broke into the Groenes' Coeur d'Alene home, bludgeoning 13-year-old Slade Groene, his mother, Brenda Groene, and her fiance, Mark McKenzie, before abducting Shasta and Dylan. Duncan has already pleaded guilty in state court for the three murders; the federal case concerns the crimes against Shasta and Dylan.

Duncan had researched police investigation procedures and took steps to avoid getting caught, Moss told jurors. He bought too-large tennis shoes at a thrift store so no bloody footprints would lead police to him. He wiped down shotgun shells before loading them so there'd be no fingerprints. He loaded the first shot with BB pellets because he thought he'd have to shoot the family dogs and didn't necessarily want to kill them.

He had a video camera, a computer and a GPS device filled with locations he thought would be handy, such as potential campsites, Moss said. He brought with him the framing hammer he used to bludgeon the older victims.

On the night of the murders, Duncan crept across a field to the home, using a low-visibility red-bulb flashlight to guide his way. He peered into a window and saw the children sleeping. One of the family dogs saw him and growled, frightening him enough that he retreated to the fence, Moss said.

"He made a decision: 'If that back door is locked, I'm going to abort,'" Moss said Duncan later told police.

When he turned the handle, it opened. Then the terror began.

The dogs scurried away when they saw Duncan's gun, Moss said. Duncan bound the family, took the youngest children outside and beat the others to death.

Then he drove away with Dylan and Shasta, making sure they knew he had killed their relatives as he headed into the Montana wilderness.

The trio camped for several weeks at the end of a remote road. When Duncan left the camp, he tied the children to a tree with a dog chain.

On June 22, 2005, Duncan left Shasta at the camp, taking Dylan to a cabin, where he videotaped himself sexually abusing and torturing the boy.

"Heinous, cruel and depraved are tough words in the English language, but none of these words ... fully express the outrage of what you will see," Moss told jurors.

After they returned to the campsite, the first thing Duncan did was show Shasta the video, Moss said.

Then, at some point during the next four days, Shasta heard a gunshot and turned to see Dylan clutching his stomach where he'd been hit. She watched as Duncan walked over to Dylan, held the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. The gun didn't fire, Moss said, so Duncan reloaded and fired again.

Duncan wrapped the body in a tarp, threw it on the campfire and let it burn until it was reduced to ashes. He then took Shasta back to Coeur d'Alene, stopping for a meal at a Denny's restaurant, where a waitress recognized the girl and called police.

Dylan "deserves the justice that only you can provide," Moss told the jury
 
Maybe it would've saved this family, maybe not, but one thing is for sure: he would have killed again, wether it was this family or another.

No - it's not for sure.

If someone in the household had shot him dead when he "broke in" then his murdering days would have been over.
 
I live in Idaho most of the year, and I once had a couple of local roommates who not only refused to lock the door, but often wouldn't even bother to close it (once leaving it open for the duration of Thanksgiving weekend when we all went out of town). :banghead:

Luckily nothing was ever taken (that I know of), and I had the occasional chuckle when they would find themselves locked out (since I did lock the door and they often forgot their keys).
 
if anyone who frequents this subforum isn't already locking their doors, i'm not sure there are any other strategies or tactics that'll keep them safe.
 
I live in Idaho most of the year, and I once had a couple of local roommates who not only refused to lock the door, but often wouldn't even bother to close it (once leaving it open for the duration of Thanksgiving weekend when we all went out of town).

Luckily nothing was ever taken (that I know of), and I had the occasional chuckle when they would find themselves locked out (since I did lock the door and they often forgot their keys).

I live in Northern Virginia. I live half a mile from where a murder occured during the summer (in a location where previous murders have occurred with regularity).

I come home late nearly every night. I am surprised when I find the door locked. RARELY do I find it locked and deadbolted. When I come in, it gets locked and deadbolted.

It doesn't matter how much I tell my roomates how foolish and dangerous leaving the door unlocked is, they still do it. (At least it is less since we replaced one roomate).

So far, nothing has happened, which I am sure reinforces their foolishness.

Fortunately, I'm getting married. I move out at the end of the month.
 
"One of the family dogs saw him and growled...The dogs scurried away when they saw Duncan's gun, Moss said."

The above should be a wakeup call for those people who have blind faith that their "dawgs" will supposedly "bark loudly and tear an intruder to pieces."

Reminds me of the true story of the pit bull that was so frightened by a home invader, that it hid under the sheet on its master's bed!
 
I've NEVER left my doors unlocked. EVER, in my 39 years, I don't think my parents ever did either.
 
I live in Idaho. I don't lock my doors. I don't much worry.

It all depends upon terrain and situation.

I go where my 'gut' leads me. It's been pretty reliable thus far.

Biker
 
I've NEVER left my doors unlocked. EVER, in my 39 years, I don't think my parents ever did either.

Same here. Didn't grow up with paranoid parents, just a front door that automatically locked. Old habits stay with you. And can help keep you safe.
 
The above should be a wakeup call for those people who have blind faith that their "dawgs" will supposedly "bark loudly and tear an intruder to pieces."
I'd be happy if mine would stop scaring the UPS guy. But even so, realizing that my dogs would also be targets in a break in, if the deterrent wasn't enough, was what led me to buy a gun in the first place. I don't care if my dogs do go ape[ ] on an intruder, I'm still not leaving my life in their...paws.

Reminds me of the true story of the pit bull that was so frightened by a home invader, that it hid under the sheet on its master's bed!
I once had a roommate with a pit like that. Very cute dog, but next to worthless otherwise.


One thing that really gets me about this is that in his plans to torture and murder this family, he didn't want to kill the dogs. I can't quite come up with the right words for that.
 
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Lock your doors and trust your dog's senses. When my dog growls, it just "feels" different than when he barks. Very sad.
 
Evil. Plain and simple. And people say I'm paranoid.

+1. A lot of people think I'm on edge. Every night I go through the same routine; I check the basement, lock doors and windows, and same goes for the next 2 floors. I also close all the room doors so if (by some small chance) someone gets into the house, if they wanna do any "exploring" they'll have to open a bunch of squeaky doors. :) Then we take the guns upstairs. Reverse process in AM.

I don't think I'm paranoid. I just think most people are rather careless.

Also +1 on dogs. We have 2 Jack Russells, and they have warned us of danger early more than a couple times (we live in a rough area. We're "back in" enough, but that can be a bad thing too, we've found...)
 
Wow... that was quite a story there...stuff for nightmares.. I often forget how much evil is out there.
 
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