Knife at School!

I wouldn't give the kid's name for just having the knife, because he will probably get himself in trouble anyway.

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Zero tolerance aside (bollocks on the lot of 'em)- it wasn't the knife, it was the kid's behavior.

Same way you gotta be your own idiot patrol when you're shooting on an un-officered range.

Sheriff, I think you did fine. Now I wouldn't take this as tacit admission of a don't-ask-don't-tell, but for your efforts you were rewarded by being warned of an impending search. Sounds like a get out of arbitrary punishment free card

No, it is zero-tolerance and that's why the silly policy should be dismantled.

A hood with a gravity knife gets the same penalty as a girl on the honor roll with cheese knife in her Britney Spears lunch box.

And if the school has no zero tolerance policy, of course, telling people he's going to "shank" someone is probable cause.

Since you asked, I think you you are overly pleased with yourself for ratting out a schoolmate.

Perhaps someone can return the favor someday.

"Freeze bitch or I'll shank you!" this kinda tells the story doesn't it? It's not like this kid was thinking about helping the shop teacher or doing a good deed.
It is against the law to take a knife to school in Texas.
Every student that goes to our campus signs a contract agreeing to obey every school policy and every State Law. I stand at the front door in uniform every day and everyone knows or soon knows that they an ask me questions and get an honest answer. I've even had a student come up to me and tell me that he forgot and brought his knife to school. I took it, put it in my pocket and then returned it to him when he left for the day.
Everyday, everyday, everyday, a student somewhere gets assaulted. With a knife, a gun, a club, a fist, something.
Turning the student in was not only the right thing, it was the moral thing. If later that day that student with the knife had cut your son or daughter you'd have wanted to know why no one got involved, why no one reported the knife?

Travis Lee said:

Perhaps someone can return the favor someday.

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There will always be rats and snitches. Just assume they're there. LIke drunk drivers.

They remind me of ratchet-jaws playing softball. If they can't beat you on the field, they try and beat you with the rule book.

"Your foot was clearly on the line!"

Look at it in the big picture. These guys never get ahead, be that in jails, in schools, in sports or in the boardroom.

Never carried a knife in High School, myself. Figured the risks outweighed the gains. Had a friend who was never without one, and still isn't, but he was taking shop classes and such, which I wasn't. He had the need. And if it was still a risk, it was less of a risk because he had a (presumably) verifiable reason.

This was before Zero-Tolerance, however. Today, I still wouldn't. And he... well, he probably still would.

But, I digress.

I'm a big fan of MYOB, especially in school. I won't say you ratted the kid out... I don't read that to be your intention there. Unless I've missed something, it looks like you genuinely wondered if you could carry a knife/tool.

And the VP freaked out and left to find his cavity-searching glove.

Point is, OP, whatever you do, don't let on to that kid (or anyone else) that you're the one who got him searched. Even if he doesn't come after you, word will get around. Rats have few friends. And avoid talking the VP for a while. In fact, avoiding the VP is usually good advice. Ditto for most counselors I've known.

My School

Y'know, when I run my own school, the school uniform will include a knife.

Any student found without his knife gets demerits, any student whose knife is found to be dull is gigged for "not having a serviceable knife" on his person.

Oh, and there will have to be a rifle team.

And a "shop" class called "Advanced Outdoor & Field Skills" (for which, of course, a knife is required).

Hey, a man can dream, right?

ArfinGreebly-

Robert A. Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky had something like your class, called "Advanced Survival". The class final was very... rigorous, as I recall.

Wouldn't mind seeing a less suicidal version of that class taught, though.

I should have put this here I guess?

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=385302

Thirty five years ago every boy had a pocket knife at school, and we'd play mumbly peg at recess, or after school or both. If you got caught in high school with a condom, you were done, go find a job!

Today, if you have a small Swiss Army pen knife, you get expelled, but they hand out condoms in 6th grade.

DOES ANYBODY SEE A PROBLEM BESIDES ME?

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Preach it, brother. Preach it. I remember those days, too.

Me to the science teacher: Do you mind if I use my knife instead of the scalpel? My knife is sharper.

Teacher: No, go right ahead.

Nothing further said, until he needed to open something, pulled his knife, and we compared. Mine, a Case Muskrat, his a Schrade.

telling people he's going to "shank" someone is probable cause.

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They don't need any such thing. At K-12 public schools all students are subject to searches at will. Not sure if there is state law variation, but that's sure as heck the case in NC.

My point was that a very well concealed, small knife is a good tool, and the poster is a person who can weigh the benefits against the risks, which is part of being a growing young adult. Just like you admit to speeding. I'm not going to lecture you on how your accident would be worse if you rolled while speeding, or how dangerous it is to ride bikes.

No ill will here, by the way, just trying to clarify that I wasn't advocating or advising against carrying a knife at school.

I remember a class project when I was in Elementary school that required us to bring a small pocket knife and a bar of soap to carve up for art. That was late 70's. I'm still amazed at how different school is for kids these days. Zero tolerance is going to ruin this country. I used to carry Tylenol in my backpack for headaches, nowadays that will get you suspended as a drug dealer.

I remember a class project when I was in Elementary school that required us to bring a small pocket knife and a bar of soap to carve up for art. That was late 70's. I'm still amazed at how different school is for kids these days. Zero tolerance is going to ruin this country. I used to carry Tylenol in my backpack for headaches, nowadays that will get you suspended as a drug dealer.

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I agree completely. I'm only 20, so never lived in a time were you could bring normal things to school. I have some prescription meds, and I couldn't even have those on me. I got in trouble for having MY medication on me. Apparently the office gets to have control of it. So stupid.

The days of 'Leave It The Beaver' are long gone.
I'm a Campus Cop. In this little school, inner city, we have students who are Dope Dealers, major members of Gangs, Prostitutes, convicted Felons and most come from single parent families. Very many don't know who their 'real' father is, many have a parent or two in prison. We have an agreement that if a student is wanted, we call’m to the Office instead of arresting them in class. It’s common for us to have a student with a ankle monitor
That kid that turned in the potential criminal was right. Not turning them in would have been wrong.

In 12 years of elementary and high school, not a single case of someone getting cut or stabbed in my school and many carried knives daily. (I did.) After school was different.

Elementary school was rural and high school was in the largest city in the area.

My brother taught hunter safety class in his school for years. Yes, he brought guns for use in the class. He does not do it anymore.

The zero tolerance rules need to go. There should be judgement exercised when finding meds, a knife,or a gun on students as far as punishment.

I carried Pepper Spray with me from 4th-12th grade and still carry it at the age of 24. I said the hell with the schools weapons policy. They did not walk us home or run with us during track when we were running for 6 miles in the rural areas. There were too may abductions and there were lots of nasty dogs on the way home. I kept it in my pocket and never showed it off. I still have a can of it from 96 from the maker of The Club. It was called The Club Pepper Spray and was made by BodyGuard. NOw I have the Sabre Red MK 2 law enforcement cone spray. I am glad that I had it one day on the way home in 5th grade when these two guys tried to take my bike. All I did was put my hand on the red pepper spray button and say MACE and they ran off. I don’t see the big deal if it’s a pocket knife. You could do just as much damage with a pen to the eye. Now obviously students should not be bringing Hand Guns to school.

Because of this students statement "Freeze Bitch or ill shank you"he was very smart for reporting it. That is a kid that needs to be at home not around other students.

BTW every single mass shooting has happened in weapon free zones. Post offices, schools, churches, daycares. When are we going to start arming school administrators and teachers? Weapon free zones are a recipe for disaster. My grandparents used to take their rifles to school to compete in ROTC. Now a days if a kid colors a picture of a gun he all the sudden needs therapy and is suspended. It’s all Bull S#@!

Probably. But, I wouldn't if the person was a decent looking fella. And like you said, he was a shady dude.
Best luck,
Sam

The Tourist : You don't carry knives at school.

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I must have gone to a much different school than you did then.

When I was in HS knives where the least of anyone's worries and almost everyone had one.

Most people were worried about getting shot before and after school.

I am not a snitch and I posted this here becuase I thought that it was an interesting topic. I went in the office asking if I could carry a knife and saw what that came too. I am extremely pro 2A and self defense, I carry a knife everyday outside of school! Trust me!

I know that people with guns are most always good guys but what about if you saw a ganster lookin person garnishing his weapon at a place where you go 5 days a week for 8 hours a day and are dennied 2A and self defense rights. Would you "snitch"??????

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Firstly, you mean to say brandishing. Normally I don't correct others posts but this really bothers me. Please accept this in the spirit of education and not as any kind of personal jab at you.

Secondly, you make a good point; often on this board people are encouraged to be alert and to include law enforcement where possible and prudent to do so.

I may have done things differently, but then I wasn't there and I don't have the luxury of your tender years.

To comment directly to your post, I think that knives are exceedingly dangerous and no one should be without one. I believe that a knife is the quintessential tool that defines humanity. That you are denied the right to carry a knife while in school is a shame that all of us in this country must bear, just as we must bear the shame for the degeneration and collapse of our culture and society.

Your school is unfortunately no longer a place of education, but one of training and that training is quite narrow in scope.

Luckily for you, education can be had from many sources. While you are at school, stay inside the lines and use only the approved colors. Observe the corporate drone training but try not to let it sink in. Once you are off of their land though, seek out a real education where tools and people are seen for what they are.

My word I feel old.

During science class, we were diseceting frogs. There were not enough scapels to go around. The instructor told one student to use his pocket knife.
Lo, the student did not have one.

It was then I learned,
"A gentlemen is not properly dressed without a clean handkerchief, a pocket knife and a ball point pen"

To this day I don't leave home without them.
Thank you Mr. Jacobson

When I was in high school (1980s), it was common for the guys to have shotguns on the gunracks in their trucks. Nobody cared. Nobody got shot. No one was threatened. We all carried knives of some sort.

Sometimes we'd shoot clays on the football field after school if it wasn't in use, or we'd set up targets for our bows and crossbows.

I remember when I was in school, if there was a fight, it was one on one and it ended with one winner, one loser, and no one dead. Times are not changing. They have changed....and I am sorry to say not for the better.

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I must have gone to a much different school than you did then.

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We are clearly commenting on a "that was then, this is now" situation. My wife is a teacher now, and you do not carry knives in school. There is a zero-tolerance program and they are not kidding.

Her school even had the local SWAT team practice in their halls during what they call a "code black."

I went to high school from 1964 until 1968.

I carried a Sicilian switchblade.

Sheriff,

If you mean to tell me that you and the kid you portray as a bad guy go to the same school, you abide by the school rules against pocket knives and SOMEHOW you INNOCENTLY let slip (oops, giggle) to the ZeroTolerance authorities that so-and-so had a knife and gee, whillikers! you never had ANY IDEA that bad consequences would befall him.... well, as they say, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

He violated a rule which you yourself seem to think is petty and unfair, you saw an opportunity to smack him with the school authorities. Right wrong or sideways, OWN UP TO IT!

Is he a bad kid? did he screw you over by beating you up and eating your lunch 3 years ago? Hey... revenge has a lot to be said for it. Did you think he was actually a threat or danger to anybody? I sure didn't get that from your OP.
He posed with his knife, and said something with stupid bravado? Well gee, If I thought YOU THOUGHT he was even slightly serious, I really doubt you would have even asked anybody their opinion about the matter.

I really hope there was something about his character or past behavior to make you believe that him getting hammered by ZT was justified.

I've known a few decent guys who got clobbered just because cops had an opportunity to screw them over, and did so with gusto. And I mean with perjury in court, and felony convictions.

You reap what you sow.