MD State Police Harrassment Over Ammo Purchase

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In addition to showing proof of age, Customers are required to sign a log book with name and address when purchasing any type of ammo. I no longer purchase ammo from WalMart or anyone who requires signing a log book.
Do they check the signature and address that you put in the log book? Knowing Wally World employees, I suspect that you could sign it as follows without them noticing: Martin O'Malley, 100 State Circle, Annapolis, Maryland 21401-1925
 
The politicians of Maryland know that a militia forming could well be the making, as a natural result of the way the politicians are destroying Maryland.
 
Without getting into this particular ammo question, there is an anomaly in MD about a Federal C&R license. The state does not recognize it, and only the holder of a dealers FFL can obtain a MD regulated firearms dealers license. No one except a Maryland licensed regulated firearms dealer can import a handgun or "assault rifle" into the state. A person with a Federal C&R license can have those guns that are C&R shipped in, but cannot sell or transfer them within the state, since they were not legally imported. If a person in MD with a C&R license wants to buy a regulated firearm from out of state and then wants to sell it, he has to send or take it back out of state and have it shipped to a MD-licensed dealer in the state, then transferred back to him.

In addition, one C&R holder cannot sell a regulated firearm to another C&R holder without going through a dealer. Again, the state does not recognize the C&R license so the two are, to the state, unlicensed individuals.

(Unregulated firearms, like bolt action rifles or pump shotguns, are not covered by state law, so the C&R holder - and anyone else - can have them shipped in, and can buy or sell them with no restrictions.)

The whole legal area is a trap looking for an unwary victim, and one never knows the extent of the MSP intelligence gathering. (Like how did they find out about his ammo purchases - AFAIK there is no legal requirement for a dealer to record or report such sales except for the federal law on certain AP handgun ammo.)

Jim
 
Jim Keenan:
It is a Maryland program to record the brand, caliber & quantity of ammunition purchased, along with the purchaser's name and driver's license number. The purchaser must also sign the log book.

Unlike the federal ammo recording law on the books from 68-86, this one is voluntary for shop owners to take part in and does not apply to mail-order sales. But voluntary doesnt mean its without reprocussion if you decline their 'offer' to participate.

Kharn
 
Thank God I live in the South! I have no desire to go to MASS, NJ IL MD DC NY CA or any other blue state.
 
Does Maryland allow mail order purchases of ammo?
Yes, and given this (plus my experience during the "DC Sniper" situation a few years ago) online is just about the only way I'll buy ammo anymore (though Bass Pro Shop doesn't keep a log, yet).
 
Could've been criminals fishing for info about what houses to burglarize - I've heard of similar things.

The fact they didn't give ID or tell you names is verrrry fishy.
 
Its a sad state of affairs when things like this happen. How much more are we going to take before we, as gun owners, unite and fight back?

I mean legislatively of course, unless all other means have failed.
 
It would be nice to know where this took place and which MSP barracks was involved.

There is no statutory requirement for dealers to keep such records. Further, dealers in my area say there is no such thing, they keep no ammo sales records and the MSP does not require they do so.

I will be ready to help on this at a political level, but I need to know the county, the name and address of the man involved, the names (if possible) of the officers involved, whether they had a warrant, the quantity of ammunition involved, where it was bought, and who asked that it be signed for.

Jim
 
It would be nice to know where this took place and which MSP barracks was involved.

The original letter states he's a resident of LaPlata, MD (Charles County). Should be MSP Barracks 'H' in LaPlata.

Maryland State Police
Barrack H - La Plata
9500 Mitchell Road
La Plata, Maryland 20646
301-392-1200 (phone) 301-392-1212 (fax)
[email protected]
 
Maryland is such a tragedy. Sixteen years ago I moved away leaving behind world class waterfowl hunting and fishing, the best seafood on the planet, top-notch hospitals and roads, lots of employment and recreational opportunites, and yet, I had no problem leaving it all behind in order to live in a place with greater freedom, less taxes, and less crime. I hope the citizens of MD can one day take back their state. For now, it's a state where the elitists rule the capital and the thugs rule the streets.
 
Hi,
Where did you buy your ammo? Was it Powder Smith‎ in La Plata, or the Walmart?
On the MDshooters page, there was a thread about a seller (Dick's I think but not sure) who got busted for illegal sales and agreed to turn over buyer info. Most stores don't. I've never been to a store that wouldn't accept cash and no ID for ammo (for example, Bass Pro Shop in Hanover MD, the Armory in Annapolis, the various stores in Severn MD). If you're in La Plata, think about driving down to
Springers Guns & Tackle‎ - 13035 Kings Hwy, King George, VA.

I think it IS a good idea for the government to flag large strange purchases of ammo. It sounds like their 'system' is overly sensitive. As an uniformed opinion, I'd say $2000+ of ammo per month should trigger police interest - check to see if the guy is buying for a club, has a job, has prior drug convictions, etc (not an after hours visit).
 
Where did you buy your ammo? Was it Powder Smith‎ in La Plata, or the Walmart?
On the MDshooters page, there was a thread about a seller (Dick's I think but not sure) who got busted for illegal sales and agreed to turn over buyer info. Most stores don't. I've never been to a store that wouldn't accept cash and no ID for ammo (for example, Bass Pro Shop in Hanover MD, the Armory in Annapolis, the various stores in Severn MD). If you're in La Plata, think about driving down to
Springers Guns & Tackle‎ - 13035 Kings Hwy, King George, VA.

I think it IS a good idea for the government to flag large strange purchases of ammo. It sounds like their 'system' is overly sensitive. As an uniformed opinion, I'd say $2000+ of ammo per month should trigger police interest - check to see if the guy is buying for a club, has a job, has prior drug convictions, etc (not an after hours visit).

You'd better duck Grey Mana cause you're about to get hammered. :neener:

The OP isn't the actual person in LaPlata with the problem. The OP just posted a letter he found elsewhere describing the incident as it's related to a third party.

I'm a "no go" on the ammo flagging for more reasons than I'm willing to type and I'm guessing you're about to discover I'm not alone.
 
Grey_Mana said:
I think it IS a good idea for the government to flag large strange purchases of ammo. It sounds like their 'system' is overly sensitive. As an uniformed opinion, I'd say $2000+ of ammo per month should trigger police interest
Since you offer this as an "uniformed" opinion, I'd like to be among the first to ask what information this opinion is based on? What uniform do you wear?

2000 rounds per month doesn't sound remotely excessive to me. That's 500 rounds per week. If a person is an IPSC or IDPA competitor, a match probably accounts for 200 to 300 rounds, and it's not hard to burn up a couple or three hundred rounds per session when practicing. Heck, I don't compete in that type of match but it wouldn't surprise me if even half-serious competitors go through as much as 5,000 rounds per month.

However ... even if they don't, what business is it of the police? The U.S. Constitution guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms. Arms without ammunition are useless. It's none of the police's business what firearms we own, and it's none of their business what ammunition we have for them.
 
If I was a terrorist, criminal, or whatever; and lived in Maryland I could easily subvert the State Police by driving out-of-state and buying any ammount of ammunition from various retailers or at gun shows. In addition I suspect that it won't be long before criminal networks start exporting ammunition to that sorry State, if indeed there is a potential for black-market ammunition.

I would think that Maryland gun owners might do the same, and buy ammunition out-of-state to avoid these SWAT Team incidents. Unless the State Police intend to set up checkpoints and conduct searches at their borders this is going to be another gun/ammunition operation that will be as productive as their "bullet fingerprinting" program. :banghead:
 
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