The higher ups seem to be less pro-gun. I don't particularly know why.
The Peter Principle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
The higher ups seem to be less pro-gun. I don't particularly know why.
Man, would that not be a statistic? I think you may be right but I have no idea where to find such stats. "Officer, I want you to slowly unbuckle your gunbelt and hand it over SLOWLY. Dalepres found some stats that show I am at far greater risk of serious injury by you rather than vice versa so I'm just gonna hold onto this puppy during our encounter to ensure citizen safety is maintained. I trust you don't have a problem with that, right? I can almost assure you with 98.667% certainty that if you are unarmed during the 15 minutes of this traffic stop; you will not be robbed, carjacked, raped, accosted, or otherwise offended by persons who may pass your way... so, maybe you will not have the need of said firearm until you are on your merry way. Do you have any other weapons that I need to be aware of? You're not transporting any bazookas, nukes or rocket launchers are you? Ha, ha, I didn't think so, so you don't mind if I have a quick look in the patrol car. Do you? "What about "citizen safety" as a reason to hold on to your gun. I'd love to see stats on how many CCWs have been involved in violent crimes versus how many LEOs. I searched and couldn't find any stats but my bet is that the LEO rate of crime is higher than the CCW.
After reading so many of Deanimator's posts I'm scared to death of LEO's. He's not making this stuff up either. I never know if it's a good cop or a bad one approaching me so I disarm all of them until the stop is concluded. It's all about citizen safety.
"Officer, I want you to slowly unbuckle your gunbelt and hand it over SLOWLY. Dalepres found some stats that show I am at far greater risk of serious injury by you rather than vice versa so I'm just gonna hold onto this puppy during our encounter to ensure citizen safety is maintained. I trust you don't have a problem with that, right?
Cop arrested in theft, battery previously suspended for abandoning post
by Brendan McCarthy, The Times-Picayune
Friday May 16, 2008, 8:28 PM
A New Orleans police officer charged this week with theft and aggravated battery previously served a lengthy suspension for abandoning his post in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
Officer Rydell Diggs, 31, left his position as a 3rd District officer without authorization days after the 2005 hurricane and did not return to the job until 12 days later, according to civil service records. He was suspended 85 workdays for neglect of duty, and later reinstated to the force.
Diggs is at the center of controversy this week after his arrest Thursday morning on charges of aggravated battery, theft and malfeasance in office.
He allegedly beat a motorist with a baton and stole more than $300 from the man's wallet, according to police. Diggs also is charged with aggravated battery, accused of using pepper spray on a woman, court records show. The incident took place after a traffic stop on Aug. 7, 2007, at Monroe and Hickory streets in the West Carrollton area, police said. Diggs was a patrolman assigned to the 2nd District, which covers a wide swath of Uptown.
SOME of this stuff, CLIVE BARKER couldn't make up!After reading so many of Deanimator's posts I'm scared to death of LEO's. He's not making this stuff up either.
Man, would that not be a statistic? I think you may be right but I have no idea where to find such stats. "Officer, I want you to slowly unbuckle your gunbelt and hand it over SLOWLY. Dalepres found some stats that show I am at far greater risk of serious injury by you rather than vice versa so I'm just gonna hold onto this puppy during our encounter to ensure citizen safety is maintained. I trust you don't have a problem with that, right? I can almost assure you with 98.667% certainty that if you are unarmed during the 15 minutes of this traffic stop; you will not be robbed, carjacked, raped, accosted, or otherwise offended by persons who may pass your way... so, maybe you will not have the need of said firearm until you are on your merry way. Do you have any other weapons that I need to be aware of? You're not transporting any bazookas, nukes or rocket launchers are you? Ha, ha, I didn't think so, so you don't mind if I have a quick look in the patrol car. Do you? "
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If I lived in Chicago, that's EXACTLY what I'd do. Who knows, before last year, maybe it was Jerry Finnegan and SOS who broke in in the first place. Why call them BACK to the scene?Cute. While you're at it, go ahead a skip calling 911 if your house or car ever gets broken into. And if you come home from work, and your front door is bashed open, just go clear the house yourself. You've got statistically better accuracy and training anyways.
Cute. While you're at it, go ahead a skip calling 911 if your house or car ever gets broken into. And if you come home from work, and your front door is bashed open, just go clear the house yourself. You've got statistically better accuracy and training anyways.
Deanimator said:Calling the Chicago PD because you're a victim of crime is like calling Michael Bolton because you're a victim of lame music.
Google "Jerome Finnegan" and "SOS" and you'll see what I was talking about.That analysis only holds true if the Chicago PD had been the perpetrators of the crime... Because Michael Bolton is lame music.
It wouldn't have made sense otherwise!So we agree on Michael Bolton then.
Why would you skip calling 911 after the crime? Now we're talking about the police doing what is their job.
Thanks, must be the new haircut. I need to let you know up front that I’ve been happily married for 18+ years.Cute.
Wow, does seething come to mind?While you're at it, go ahead a skip calling 911 if your house or car ever gets broken into. And if you come home from work, and your front door is bashed open, just go clear the house yourself. You've got statistically better accuracy and training anyways.
Sounds to me that thread is more about whether someone should be disarmed during a traffic stop or not. Not whether or not the officer's are pro-2ndAmendment.
However, I will note that the loudest officer's in that thread were from Detroit and Washington, DC. Two cities who are known to be antigun.
As for being disarmed during a traffic stop. First don't speed, run stop lights, or break sound ordinances and you will not get stopped. Second, if you are stopped... I can almost assume you with 98.667% certainty that if you are unarmed during the 15 minutes of said traffic stop; you will not be robbed, carjacked, raped, acosted, or otherwise offended by persons who may pass your way... so, maybe you will not have the need of said firearm until you are on your merry way.
CHICAGO TRIBUNEWatch, some day I'll post a link to a story in the Tribune about a 7' Chicago cop with nails sticking out of his head getting a thirty day suspension for skinning somebody alive!
As I said, if I still lived in Chicago, I WOULDN'T. Why bother? They don't care. Everybody KNOWS they don't care. They SAY they don't care.My point stands: Don't like cops and think they are power hungry thugs? Then don't use them.
My point stands: Don't like cops and think they are power hungry thugs? Then don't use them.
Cute. While you're at it, go ahead a skip calling 911 if your house or car ever gets broken into. And if you come home from work, and your front door is bashed open, just go clear the house yourself. You've got statistically better accuracy and training anyways.
It's the height of hypocrisy to scoff and police doing and wanting things that will make their job safer, while simultaneously demanding that they put themselves in situations you can't or won't do yourself.
Since we're so fond of citing stories around here, anyone want to go search for one where a legal CCW holder held off a corrupt police officer who was trying to kill him ,during a traffic stop with his concealed weapon?
My point stands: Don't like cops and think they are power hungry thugs? Then don't use them.
I agree Zundfolge. The higher ups seem to be less pro-gun. I don't particularly know why.
Cute. While you're at it, go ahead a skip calling 911 if your house or car ever gets broken into. And if you come home from work, and your front door is bashed open, just go clear the house yourself. You've got statistically better accuracy and training anyways.
Police have:They are not there to protect you.
They are not there to protect you. Their purpose is revenue collection for local government and maintaining the status quo.