Gustav gun confiscation underway

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Across state lines? Interstate public transportation? That's the point here, interstate travel... again. This isn't about a bus ride across town.

I don't know of any interstate public carrier that allows firearms to be carried by passengers. If you know of one I'd love to see it.

I think it SHOULD be legal, but I don't know of any.

Are the buses in question in NOLA going across state lines or moving people to a different part of LA? That's seemingly the key here...there seems to be a lot of assumptions they are but are they for certain...
 
what about this angle?

If people were in general using the bus to get out on their own, bringing your weapon would not be allowed.

However, if the reason you are evacuating is due to 'government ordered evacuation' then can the government still be playing these rules of 'government bus...stay behind if you don't like our rules!'

To me, that is the crux of the problem. If the gov was just giving free rides, okay, you get to set terms like 'no weapons' but once it is a government mandated evac, then you don't really have the choice of saying 'no thanks'
 
So, let me get this straight.
I'm ordered to evacuate my city. I don't have a choice. I'm ordered to get on the bus. No choice here at all.
If I don't do either one I'll be arrested.
Now before I get on the bus, train, whatever I have to surrender my guns.
This isn't confiscation??
If I was driving my own car I wouldn't have to surrender my guns.
Once again the poor get screwed.
Are they giving them back after the hurricane? Are they issuing receipts?

They're stealing guns again.

AFS
 
Links to the Greyhound and Amtrak policies prohibiting firearms; everyone seems well aware of the airline policies.

Link to the Louisiana concealed carry law, which states: "O. The provisions of Subsection N of this Section shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section." Which means Louisiana law allows airlines, or bus or train companies to restrict weapons.

Link to the Louisiana anti-confiscation law, which states: "H.(1) Nothing in this Section shall authorize the seizure or confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm..." Since the transportation companies say no weapons, it is not "lawfully carrying."

I'm not entirely certain but if the buses are city or state controlled during these evacuations it's not as simple as a private company saying no guns...
 
I'm ordered to evacuate my city. I don't have a choice. I'm ordered to get on the bus. No choice here at all.

Not true. Many people stayed behind, as always.

What the order says is that if you stay there will be no city services and if you are caught off of your own property after dark you will be arrested.

Might be a dumb choice but you do have a choice.
 
I don't think staying during a mandatory evac directly results in a violation. My understanding (or lack), Nagin said, if you choose to stay, "you are on your own". Among the potential scenarios that are for sure to get you in trouble staying during a man. evac. , violating the dawn to dusk (?) curfew that they put in place or obviously if you chose to start looting.
 
Ordered to evacuate, and a dawn till dusk curfew in effect. You cannot legaly go outside even if things settle down during daylight hours.

Thier treatment of firearms is only part of the issue. An order that makes it a crime to be out during daylight would technicaly mean anyone out could be arrested and have any firearms confiscated on the spot.

Do they have the authority to even issue such an order and impose such curfews at will?

What the order says is that if you stay there will be no city services and if you are caught off of your own property after dark you will be arrested.
So a dawn till dusk curfew, and you say anyone caught off thier property after dark is also violating something?
So essentialy it would be illegal 24/7 to be out of your home, meaning any firearms at any time would be possessed while commiting a crime subjecting you to arrest, and hence they would be confiscated.

I don't know about the after dark part, but they did say a dawn till dusk curfew. If they can spin anyone out after dark as suspicious, or guilty of something too then it is essentialy not okay to ever be off your property.
 
Halfacop,
See my previous post.

Right - I saw it and edited my post accordingly.....

The government can't actually force you to evacuate in situations like these I believe.

Right - but you will be required to obey curfew that is set. Violation of curfew could result in being arrested etc etc.....

Do they have the authority to even issue such an order and impose such curfews at will?

Ever heard of Martial Law?

"On 8/26/2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans was placed under martial law after widespread flooding rendered civil authority ineffective. The state of Louisiana does not have an actual legal construct called "martial law," but instead something quite like it: a state of public health emergency. The state of emergency allowed the governor can suspend laws, order evacuations, and limit the sales of items such as alcohol and firearms. The governor's order limited the state of emergency, to end on 9/25/2005, "unless terminated sooner."
 
They deserve what they accept....in the case of liberal cities, what they DEMAND!

Hey, if you come to my house, you live by my rules. If you want to live by your rules, take care of yourself.

If you are "ordered" to leave, and you 'choose' to use government funded programs, you live by their rules.

Now, if we were living in a "Real Country" and "Real Americans" were involved, this would not be an issue. However, we have Socialists running the show in the big cities, at the request (DEMAND) of the Socialists that live there, let them reap the benefits of living in a Socialist environment.

Do you see the confiscations in New Iberia, where the hurricane has actually made land fall? Wonder why? If the people beg to be "ruled", someone will step up and "rule" them. Is it sad? Yep, can I do anything about it? Short of educating the "people of America" about that fact that they "get what they ask for"....Nope, can't help them.

"They" bring their gun confiscation to this neck of the woods....well, it will be a different new story all together.....and I suspect that is why you won't see it here ;)
 
It is at the very least an illegal search. Even if the bus company has a POLICY against carrying weapons, this is a policy. Not state law. All persons who board those buses are not presumed to be committing a crime. All persons are required to evacuate the city. There is no alternative for most of them. They are therefore being force-funneled into box ca...I mean, busses, and searched illegally.
 
Ever heard of Martial Law?

My state's constitution forbids it, yet cities have plans in place to implement it. There's no authority given to the feds to implement it in the federal Constitution. Know what I'll do if they attempt it wherever I live? Ignore it.
 
t is at the very least an illegal search. Even if the bus company has a POLICY against carrying weapons, this is a policy.

And again, stick with the facts.

Do you know that there were searches? How do you know that these people didn't simply volunteer the fact that they had firearms when asked?

Way too many assumptions being made but that's the only way to quickly get to the Nazi, JBT, etc stuff.

If you stick to the facts the story is pretty boring.

Over time the facts in this will come out completely. Maybe it was illegal, maybe not. But at this point, with 2 screen shots from CNN and nothing else, it's just a little bit difficult to come to a conclusion about what actually happened.
 
Even if the disarmament was technically 'legal' it would still constitute an unconscionable outrage.

I suspect that the any future evacuation order will be largely disregarded as the impecunious folks will choose to stay behind and face an uncertain fate, albeit armed to the teeth.
 


TexasRifleman said:
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[quote="I']Other than planes, I don't know of a federal law prohibiting firearms nor have I been able to locate a Louisiana law banning firearms on "public transportation."

All of the Interstate carriers; Greyhound, Amtrak, and the airlines all specifically ban it and have for a very long time. [/quote]

Okay, but that's corporate policy, not federal law.... Planes are the only mode of transportation where there is a federal ban on carrying.

 
Now, it would appear from at least one post, that the buses were stopped just outside of their final destination, and the LOCAL police were confiscating/seizing weapons. It was said that they offered receipts to anyone who wanted them, and amazingly, many didn't. Why would that be? Perhaps because they weren't theirs, after all?

I do not believe that Louisiana has a Vermont style carry provision. You must have a Louisiana-issued CCW to have a firearm on your person. How many of these people, Black, White , Hispanic, or Asian, had such a permit? If they didn't, then they were in violation of the law.

FYI, the Georgia law that allows carry on mass-transit was passed this year, and has been in effect for less than six months. It's still being sorted out. It exists ONLY as far as transportation in Georgia is concerned, and the person must have a valid Georgia CCW. This same law also allows for carry into bars or restaurants that allow consumption of alcohol on-premises.

This has nothing to do with racism, or discrimination against the poor. Why should you allow felons to carry guns onto buses, trains, or planes? How many of these people had stolen guns? This is an evacuation, so it has certain time constraints imposed upon it. The hurricane won't wait for everyone to have their weapons checked for ownership, or for them to receive CCWs. Those traveling out-of-state would also need time to make themselves lrgal under the 1986 FOP provisions.

Now, where is there information available that proves Blackwater participated in gun confiscations in post-Katrina New Orleans?

Also, the LEOs from out-of-state were legally deputized by the New Orleans authorities. Like it or not, the legality of their office while in New Orleans is the stuff of tin-foiler's fantasies. It's not just the out-of-state Police, either. The EMTs and Paramedics from out-of-state also had to be granted authority to operate in Louisiana.

Face it, the media put a spin on the "confiscations" of weapons from stupid people, and our own tin-foilers have rounded out the mix. All we need are the Black Helicopters, and the reports of blue-hatted Chinese troops boarding transport ships, heading for the Gulf to finish the scenario. :what::scrutiny::banghead:
 
If guns weren't allowed on a plane or bus before Gustav, why do you think it would be any different now?

This is not a house-to-house confiscation, so reel in the conspiracy theories.

K
 
You must have a Louisiana-issued CCW to have a firearm on your person. How many of these people, Black, White , Hispanic, or Asian, had such a permit? If they didn't, then they were in violation of the law.

LA as far as I know is an open carry state.
 
You are not physically forced to evacuate. You think cops are going to search hundreds of thousands of homes room to room? LOL

If you're going by govt transit, lock or hide your guns in a high spot or waterproof container secured to something solid. They'll be there when you get back.

K
 


AC, You are correct, it is an open carry state and recognizes numerous CHLs from other states as well has having it's own CHL licensing laws.

and NOPD did do a house to house search last time around, Ken. That's the reason for the new federal law banning seizure of firearms. Oh, and the NOPD operated in violation of the State's constitution then too.
 
I am in no way attempting to play devils advocate and this is the first I have heard about this (It is disgusting and I too thought that a law was passed to prevent this from happening again).

However, what is the background reasoning for the confiscation? Are they being taken from people who are entering Gov. shelters or are they being taken from people who are trying to leave the area / State on their own?

If they are taking them from people who are entering Gov. shelters, that may be the reason why they are able to get around it.

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Ordered to evacuate, and a dawn till dusk curfew in effect. You cannot legaly go outside even if things settle down during daylight hours.

So something on the internet sounds strange and must be immediately believed? Try this USAToday article, which makes more sense and provides supporting details.

New Orleans to impose dusk-to-dawn curfew

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin says the city will impose a dusk-to-dawn curfew when the sun sets today at 6:23 p.m. local time.
 


The article also quotes Nagin as saying they aren't going to bother with a trial, it's straight to Angola and the general population. The law and the Constitution don't seem to mean anything to him.

 
Know what I'll do if they attempt it wherever I live? Ignore it.

Let me know how that works out for you when there's a Bradley sitting on your front lawn.

Get your GLOCK and show 'em who's boss
 
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