"charged with possessing firearms not registered to them in nat. firearms registry"

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The men are charged with possessing firearms that were not registered to them in the national firearms registry. The charge is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
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I have never heard of such a law? Is this new? The article is basically about some miscreants who were arrested in St. Paul last week. But this charge is new to me and appears to be very ominous for several reasons.

1) There is no such thing as a national firearms registry as far as I know
2) Does that mean any firearm which one has bought used, locally, and is not "registered" to oneself, makes you a criminal who could be jailed for 10 years by the Feds?

Please expound if you know more about this.

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http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...2008/09/09/austin_men_to_fight_detention.html
 
They are being charged with illegal possession of unregistered Destructive Devices (the molotov cocktails).
 
It's probably referring to Title 3 firearms (mostly machine guns, destructive devices, etc) and the registry the BATFE keeps on them.

And yes, unfortunately, it is legal. The GCA of 1968 brought that abomination to life, I believe.
 
It's probably referring to Title 3 firearms (mostly machine guns, destructive devices, etc) and the registry the BATFE keeps on them.

And yes, unfortunately, it is legal. The GCA of 1968 brought that abomination to life, I believe.
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NFA of 1934.
 
Ah, so it isn't firearms, as the article mentions. They mis-labeled the items. I was wondering how firearms came into play here. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Ah, so it isn't firearms, as the article mentions.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

The National Firearms Act of '34 covers machine guns, destructive devices, suppressors, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and most ambiguous of all, "any other weapons" :fire: which Big Brother thinks should be registered/tracked for future konfiscation :banghead: .
 
Ah, so it isn't firearms, as the article mentions.
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Yes, it is firearms. As mentioned above, Title II weapons must be registered under the NFA. That means short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, destructive devices (including incendiary devices like molotovs) and AOWs must be registered.
 
how can you register a molotov???

does someone want to try it? call the batfe and inform them that you have shoved a gasoline-soaked rag into a bottle full of flammable liquid and that you'd like to register it under the nfa. please report back to the board afterwards.
 
National Firearms Act of '34 covers machine guns, destructive devices, suppressors, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and most ambiguous of all, "any other weapons" which Big Brother thinks should be registered/tracked for future konfiscation
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Well said!
 
Caliban how can you register a molotov???

does someone want to try it? call the batfe and inform them that you have shoved a gasoline-soaked rag into a bottle full of flammable liquid and that you'd like to register it under the nfa. please report back to the board afterwards.
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That would be a sure way to jail/$10,000 fine. You have to send them the $200 first with an application to make a destructive device. When they reject it, you haven't violated the law :D ...but be sure you show design documents, including where you will engrave your name, address, and a serial number.
 
You have to send them the $200 first with an application to make a destructive device. When they reject it, you haven't violated the law ...but be sure you show design documents, including where you will engrave your name, address, and a serial number.
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I expect they would approve it, assuming your state allows Molotov cocktails in the first place.
 
That's why you don't see too many people dealing with things like grenades. They're legal if you've done the paperwork and paid the tax, but all that for a one time use item is way too much work for way too little benefit.

However, with machine guns, suppressors, SBRs, AOWs, and so on, the paperwork and tax is less a concern, since those will stick around.
 
how can you register a molotov???
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Fill out BATFE Form 1 for manufacture of a destructive device indicating unique serial number, pay your $200 tax, provide photo and have your local Chief LEO sign (or you sign ownership to your corporation or trust). Wait for approval, apply serial number to bottle, fill with gas, insert rag (oh, and don't you dare possess all the parts before approval lest you be prosecuted for "constructive possession"). Use in a lawful & safe manner. Watch >$200 & hours of work go up in smoke.
 
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where is that guy who was shooting tracers at jugs of gasoline, he'd be all over this.
 
Fill out BATFE Form 1 for manufacture of a destructive device indicating unique serial number, pay your $200 tax, provide photo and have your local Chief LEO sign (or you sign ownership to your corporation or trust). Wait for approval, apply serial number to bottle, fill with gas, insert rag (oh, and don't you dare possess all the parts before approval lest you be prosecuted for "constructive possession"). Use in a lawful & safe manner. Watch >$200 & hours of work go up in smoke.
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I could Form 2 it... :neener:

Kind of a waste if you ask me. Gas is expensive, and there are much safer ways to make things that go boom.
 
So, if I understand this correctly, I could jump through a mountain of BATFE red tape hoops, pay $200 and get a license to make a Molotov Cocktail... Then, I could acquire a rag to stick in the bottle of gasoline with the serial number on it and go blow it up. So, what's to keep me from writing the same serial number on an infinite number of beer bottles, one at a time and blowing them up too?

If Congress were any more insane, they'd all live in Austin. rr2241tx
 
So, what's to keep me from writing the same serial number on an infinite number of beer bottles, one at a time and blowing them up too?
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The ten years in prison and $250,000 fine for EACH cocktail if the Feds ever found out, that's what. You have to notify them in writing when a destructive device gets "used up."
 
Knowing the ATF I am surprised they havn't hit someone with a constructive intent charge because they have a bottle of boos and a rag or three in their house! :fire:
 
Knowing the ATF I am surprised they havn't hit someone with a constructive intent charge because they have a bottle of boos and a rag or three in their house!
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Maybe the plan is to weave a patchwork of laws so that eventually they can charge anyone with anything. Kinda funny since the 2nd amendment was put in to prevent this sort of thing but the gov't is working the system to use it against the people. (tinfoil hat disengage)
 
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