Most Overrated Rifle?

Overated;
1. Rifle, anything Ruger.
2. Shotgun, The Browning Auto Five.
3. Handgun, The .357 Magnum anything.

I know that I'm in the minority here, but the AR is at the top of my list of most overrated rifles. I had one in the late 80s to early 90s and absolutely hated it. It may have ruined me for life on them. People talk about aftermarket mags in a Mini-14, hell the only mags I could find that functioned properly were original Colt 20s. I was (and still am) glad my dad traded it for a Trapdoor Springfield without my knowledge (only 14 or 15 at the time). Since it was my rifle (our deal was I pay 50%, he pays 50%, and it's all mine), he replaced it with a Mossberg 835 and a 1975 model Mini-14 180 series. Even though that AR would be worth a lot more now, you could never get me to trade even on those now. Keep your EBRs, I'll stick with my wood and blue.

Wyman

Over rated:

1.) Any rifle or carbine chambered in 5.7X28. Honestly a cartridge in search of a reason to exist. So chalk up the FNP90 as over rated.

2.) The Remington Model 700. Not really any more accurate than most other rifles in my experience and from what I have seen their recent rifles are not up to the same standards of workmanship and finish as they used to be.

3.) The Savage Model 110 and it's variants. It is accurate, but no more so than other bolt actions, and I find the stocks to be horrible and the Accu-trigger is not one of my favorites. By the time you get done upgrading the stock and trigger you might has well have purchased a better rifle in the first place. Someone mentioned earlier that people that buy Rem. 700's think they have the equivalent of an AI or TRG when they buy an ADL. Many Savage shooters are like this too.

You are right that AK's can jam as well, but a decent build will need thousands of rounds without cleaning for this to happen. I have never heard of an AR that can fire even one thousand rounds without cleaning. It is a fundamental "flaw" so to speak of the AR impingement system. A piston will always be more reliable.

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Clearly you haven't seen many AR's. Even DPMS can go 1000 rounds without cleaning or failure. I am not bashing DPMS, but lets all agree there are better manufacturers. Futhermore, you don't seen to understand my point, so let me clarify...I don't see how the AR is overrated when everyone talks about how unreliable it is. Most problems are due to poor quality magazines, or dirty magazines too, not everyone knows to take care of their magazines.

The 10/22, the 10/22, and followed closely by the 10/22.

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YES! 10/22's are fun, but there are way better guns for the money. I would elaborate that with the exception of their handguns:

Anything Ruger, Anything Ruger, and followed closely by anything Ruger

(I have owned many and was satisfied with none)

I agree with the M1 Carbine.
I love mine, but... it's kind of a lame, overly expensive WWII "collectable."
The Garand is another issue. It lives up to the hype (and the price).

AK is way over rated. Owned them, sold them.

Well, from what everyone so far has stated, basically anything more expensive than an $89 SKS is overrated.

I must be the only member here who has heard of Perazzi shotguns.

Imagine a double barrel shotgun that retails for more than some members here paid for thier homes.....

I have heard of Perazzi, I think guns like those go without saying...

I must be the only member here who has heard of Perazzi shotguns.

Imagine a double barrel shotgun that retails for more than some members here paid for thier homes.....

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Go on.

Remington 700

Any gun owned by someone who thinks that there guns are better than someone else's guns (If that made any sense). I can't stand a snob in any category.

Post #64 - I know exactly what you mean.

Perrazi's can be affordable.

Think about heavy single-barrel shotguns that cost up to 20K. Ljutic, Silver Seitz, Kolar, Krieghoff...

I know I am fixing to get my head ripped off here but here it goes. I know you guys are listing more or less rifle names and models but I will list an extremely 'popular' caliber: the one and only 30-06!!!!

If you study enough ballistics charts, I think there are tons of better calibers of hunting rifles out there than the old '06. However, I will say that there have been ALOT of wildcat loads that became popular over the years that are based on the 30-06 and are excellent cartridges that truly beat the pants off of the 30-06.

Think about it. If the 30-06 was THE BEST then why have so many wildcatters tweeked and changed it so many times over the years to come up with these other cartridges? Okay, I have dug my own hole and put the gravemarker at my head, I am waiting for you guys to just blow my head off and throw the dirt in on top of me. Sorry but this is my honest opinion and I am sticking to it. (Even to my early grave!!)

I disagree with just about everybody except the scout rifle comment.Putting a low power scope on a Russian M44 or similar condition rifle doesn't seem worthy to me.


there is no way you can say the AK series is over rated.You may not like it and it might not be the most accurate rifle but for what it was designed to do it has been a complete success.It is among the most widely known and distributed small arm in the world.


And that is,to build a easy to maintain. durable, easy to use military rifle that any peasant could learn to operate with minimum training.


As far as the Garand,Mausers and M16 their life span and use says it all,mausers being at the top of use and copied designs.

Before I die, I would like to add one more. The M16! While in the USMC, I hated this rifle. The govt. could choose any other rifle and been much better off. I think the sights sucked and I have never held any other rifle in my life that shook like a box of rocks when handling it!!

there is no way you can say the AK series is over rated.You may not like it and it might not be the most accurate rifle but for what it was designed to do it has been a complete success.It is among the most widely known and distributed small arm in the world.

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The point of this is not whether or not they do what they were designed to do, it is whether or not they are overrated. Sure the AK does what is was designed too, but it doesn't live up to what everyone says, such as burying for a year and it being perfect, never jamming, never needing cleaned, etc.

Bart I know many claim the torture a AK can go through and still keep on firing and that it never fails.Some might be hype,some might be true I dunno,I never used one in combat in harsh conditions to speak first hand though the legend of it must be true to a point.


But still considering the fact that it is a easy to use and overall reliable weapon that has been used in countless combat situations and abused and is in use for 50 plus years and will be for decades to come can't deny it is very successful and I just don't consider that record over hyped just like Mausers.

Just got back from running drills in prep for BRM. The M16 is horrid and I have more reasons after spending more time with them today (M16A2s).

1. Has little pieces that can get lost on the ground during takedown, such as the firing pin retainer and cam pin. No AK or SKS or any other piston gun has itty bitty pieces to drop and lose that are critical to the weapon's function. Smallest piece is the op rod or op rod spring, which is two inches long.

2. S.P.O.R.T.S. reminds us all that the rifle dumps crap back into the receiver to the point where you have have to jam a round into the chamber sometimes. ( any gun can malfunction and I understand that)

3. A broken stock puts the weapon out of action.

4. Said stock is not exactly sturdy

5. Ratcheting burst is crap. Will it be 1,2, or 3 shots this time

6. 5.56 ballistics are inferior to .308. Yep, I said it.

Many countries use it only because we hand them out like candy to other countries as well as NATO standardization. I'm not going to knock it without proposing an alternative or two so here I go.




and my favorite.
It takes m16 mags, piston upper, and the stock isn't critical to function.

I read all these posts. Most of them make some pretty good points. First, an observation...

Not one comment mentions an israeli made firearm as being "over rated". Hmm, lets all think about that for a sec, shall we? If no one nominates them for "over rated", does that mean israeli firearms are "under rated"?

I agree most with those that nominate the 10/22 as number one over rated rifle. There were a few mentions of the SCAR. Although I really like the looks and the idea of the SCAR, it isn't even out yet. So yeah, that's pretty over rated when everyone is in love with something they've never seen yet. I'm guilty of that also, btw. Maybe I'll hold off on praising the SCAR for awhile, at least until I actually get to see one in a gun shop.

M1 Garand & the M14

Fella's;

Didn't bother to read past the first few posts. Just gonna offer my opinion up.

Most overrated rifle? The Remington 700.

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The pre-'64 Winchester never advertised "controlled round feed." They called it a "claw extractor" and it does its job and does it well.

Ross Siefried once pointed out that the pre-'64 Winchester is a good example of the whole being more than the sum of the parts -- 3-position safety, claw extractor, simple and easily adjusted trigger, good hinged floor plate that doesn't pop open under recoil, and generally very good accuracy add up to something that matches its reputation.

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I never said it was "advertised" as such. A claw extractor is often used with regards to a controlled round feed action. If you want to split hairs go ahead, i couldn't care less whatever you call it. Im going to call it controlled round feed and if you don't like it, again, i couldn't care less.

By the way, you missed the point i was trying to make. The pre 64 winchesters model 70s are overrated because for my use i can get a good trigger and a well built rifle for A LOT less. Yes they are nice rifles, but for my intended purposes, the extra money isn't worth what is gained.

The point of this is not whether or not they do what they were designed to do, it is whether or not they are overrated. Sure the AK does what is was designed too, but it doesn't live up to what everyone says, such as burying for a year and it being perfect, never jamming, never needing cleaned, etc.

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True, however many people are expecting certain things from rifles without taking into consideration their intended purposes. Thus they become angry and deem it over-rated. People say AR15s suck because they can't be buried and clogged with mud and still function, then there are people who say AKs suck because they get poor accuracy. AR15s give us accuracy but sacrifice a little with reliability when compared to AKs, which are usually less accurate than ARs. And so on...