'Scout' pistol?

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Any such beast exist? Seems it would be impractical whatever 'it' is

This idea suddenly bounced into my head a few days ago and I cannot shake it, problem is I dont have anything beyond a name

I know what a scout rifle is, but dont see how it would relate to a pistol

A scoped pistol? Seems silly...maybe a red dot...still

Humor me but i just cant shake it...Help! :banghead:
 
Alot of hunting revolvers have 8"+ barrels and scopes. It makes sense, especially with rounds like the .454 Casull and especially the .460 S&W.

May not be what you had in mind though.
 

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What do you mean by "Scout Pistol"?

In my reading about the Rhodesian forces, the most of them carried a Browning Hi Power. They also rarely, if ever, had to use them.

For that application, I would put these in as criteria:

1. Fixed sights
2. Lanyard
 
Its just an idea that popped into my head, really just a name w/ no quantifying features after a dream

I dont know why...just putting it out there for my own sanity LoL
 
I like the idea, it would be the back-up to the Scout rifle, something to be carried all the time. It would have to be able to put down just about anything within a 25 meter area and be able to make body hits to say 75 meters. Scopes would be out as to "fit" concept of being quick to sight and make good hits, maybe a reddot, but it would also remove the lightweight carry all the time.
 
Think that'd be a PDW-type weapon myself, something that 'works' as a close in-handgun with stock folded/retracted/non-engaged, but gives you better than handgun sights (including capacity to mount a dot or appropriate scope) and stability for longer shots.

Most smaller SMGs and semi-equivalents would probably fit this bill imo.

It's the model I went with when buying my VBD (very bad day) package: actual rifle for long range (FAL), Vector MP5K-PDW SBR (close in/confined spaces), and handgun (backup when all else fails) - either a Sig 226 or a S&W 296 (haven't decided which at this point, own both).
 
The purpose of a scout is to set-off an ambush prematurely to save the main body of troops.

With this in mind, a scout would need a lot of 'heat' fast & close, so I think any sort of cut-down shotgun loaded with 00 buck or maybe flechettes.
 
I thought scouts just... scouted, a snipers job was to scout, check movements of troops equipment, get a layout of the battlefield.

I think If I was scouting I would want a Rifle, in 308. And probably a backup pistol of 1911, CZ, maybe HK....

No scope. a pistols job is backup. just in case.
 
If you're looking for reliable hits out to 75 meters, you are eliminating a lot of the semiautos, aren't you, by default? I would think something that's flat-shooting like a .357 Magnum would be more of a necessity. While a 9, 40 or even 45 COULD be used at that distance, I'm not sure those are the best platforms for that application. What am I saying...no pistol is really good for that application.

Lessee...in the Tom Berringer movie SNIPER, he had his Remington 700 in .308 and a...was it a SIG or HK as his pistol.

There you go...just proved my first paragraph wrong...Hollywood helps us again.

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You all remember Ichiro's personal hi-cap .38 Super 1911 that was featured just a couple months back? 24 rounds, huge mag well, red-dot, compensated, very accurate out to 75 or 100 yards, hard hitting. Perfect "Scout pistol."

I guess.
 
Lets go back and relook at the Scout Rifle concept as defined by Col Cooper
Drawing inspiration from several sources, specifically the Austrian Mannlicher-Schönauer of 1903 and the Winchester Model 1894, Cooper defined several distinguishing characteristics of a scout rifle:

* A maximum unloaded weight, with accessories, of 3.5 kilograms (≈7¾ lbs), 3 kg (≈6½ lbs) optimal.
* An overall length of 1 meter (≈39 in.) or less.
* A forward-mounted telescopic sight of low magnification, typically 2-3 diameters. This preserves the shooter's peripheral vision, keeps the ejection port open to allow the use of stripper clips to reload the rifle, and eliminates any chance of the scope striking one's brow during recoil. Cooper has stated that a telescopic sight is not mandatory.
* Ghost ring auxiliary iron sights: a rear sight consisting of a receiver-mounted large-aperture thin ring, and typically a square post front sight.
* A "Ching" or "CW" sling. Against common practice, Cooper advocated the use of a sling as a shooting aid. The Ching sling offers the convenience of a carrying strap and the steadiness of a target shooter's sling with the speed of a biathlete's sling. (The CW sling is a simpler version of a Ching sling, consisting of a single strap.)
* A standard chambering of .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO caliber; 7 mm-08 for locales that forbid military chamberings; and .243 Winchester for young or recoil-shy people. Cooper also commissioned "Lion Scout," chambered for the .350 Remington Magnum cartridge.
* Accuracy: Should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less (4") at 200 yards/meters (3 shot groups).

Other optional features included a retractable bipod, detachable magazines, a butt magazine, and an accessory rail for lights and other attachments. The addition of some of these features often render the rifle technically not a scout as originally defined, but this has come to be accepted by many as still conforming to the spirit if not the letter of the concept. from wikipedia
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Not with that in mind let us look at what would be the equivalent in a handgun as a backup for a "scout rifle".
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On Eotech scopes, can you put in "magnifiers" when you need extra magnification , but then take them out to go back to a red dot sight?
If you can, maybe that mounted on a g20. Or maybe a 1911 in 45 super. If you're not worried about making noise, maybe get a compensator.
(Of course, if shooting at night, I'm seeing the potential for a "flashbang" effect here.)
 
The Desert Eagle has 10" and 14" barrels for the standard 6" barrel pistol (.44 magnum and .357 magnum). It also has built-in scope mounting capacity. Add very good accuracy out to 200 yards and this might fit into your imagery. If I'm understanding the OP, a 'Scout pistol' is different from a 'Scout's pistol' and is certainly not a revolver.


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Ok with these requirements in mind, I suggest the 1911 as well, in plain old 45ACP. Here are the requirements again:

* A maximum unloaded weight, with accessories, of 3.5 kilograms (≈7¾ lbs), 3 kg (≈6½ lbs) optimal.
* An overall length of 1 meter (≈39 in.) or less.
* A forward-mounted telescopic sight of low magnification, typically 2-3 diameters. This preserves the shooter's peripheral vision, keeps the ejection port open to allow the use of stripper clips to reload the rifle, and eliminates any chance of the scope striking one's brow during recoil. Cooper has stated that a telescopic sight is not mandatory.
* Ghost ring auxiliary iron sights: a rear sight consisting of a receiver-mounted large-aperture thin ring, and typically a square post front sight.
* A "Ching" or "CW" sling. Against common practice, Cooper advocated the use of a sling as a shooting aid. The Ching sling offers the convenience of a carrying strap and the steadiness of a target shooter's sling with the speed of a biathlete's sling. (The CW sling is a simpler version of a Ching sling, consisting of a single strap.)
* A standard chambering of .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO caliber; 7 mm-08 for locales that forbid military chamberings; and .243 Winchester for young or recoil-shy people. Cooper also commissioned "Lion Scout," chambered for the .350 Remington Magnum cartridge.
* Accuracy: Should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less (4") at 200 yards/meters (3 shot groups).
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As the 1911 compares:
*Not terribly heavy, much better than the Desert Eagle or 8" scoped hunting revolver some recommend
*Compact enough to be carried anywhere with appropriate holster / clothing (although I don't, there are many who do, and it's certainly possible)
*I'd go with regular iron sights, maybe a tritium front and plain black rear - Heine or Novak - coupled with the long sight radius, should be quite serviceable
*See above
*No sling, but maybe a lanyard?
*.45ACP is a very popular chambering, and perhaps comparable to .308 WIN as pistol rounds go
*A good design, like Nighthawk, Wilson, Ed Brown or Les Baer should have no problem hitting a torso out to 75m with a capable shooter

Just my opinion. I think it fits the bill nicely :)
 
Long range accuracy. Good stopping power at long ranges. The only semi auto pistols that fit that bill is 10mm and up. But it also needs to be light weight. That's going to knock out almost all semi auto handguns of higher powered calibers. You're left with a glock 10mm, or a scandium S&W revolver enabled for moon clip use.
 
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