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Make sure Wally World Corporate knows that.
Tomorrow morning, they'll know.

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What did you have? If you don't mind sharing.
XD45, two extra mags, FN USG 5.7, two extra mags, NAA .22wmr revolver (and a knife and such). Same that I carry every day.

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When you notify WW that you aren't going back and why, make sure you tell them that this one WW store, security officer, told you not to enter any other WW in the world.

They will love that.
I'll be doing so tomorrow AM, they may do something about it.

My guess is that - particularly if they know the amount of armament you were carrying - they really don't want you in any of their stores ever. Which sounds like it will be fine with you. :)

Let us know what you hear. My nickel bet is that the back their security guard to the hilt - politely re-state the policy, and emphasize the ban on shopping in their stores.

I am not criticizing disagreeing with your decision to carry that much weaponry. And you probably wouldn't care if I did. :) But that much armament on a civilian is going to suggest abnormality and/or metal issues to most people. They are not going to want you in their stores.

Maybe I am wrong. It would be interesting to hear what they have to say.

Mike
 
The officer was right, though. It is NOT normal. Even here, it isn't normal. Are we really debating if carrying this much hardware is "normal?"
 
Innocent until proven guilty...? Why assume I'm a nutjob (after getting the items and standing in checkout line for 5 minutes!)

Also, I don't volunteer information to LEOs, no offense. I didn't exactly feel like saying much after having my hands restrained and asked "where's the gun" in a rather interesting manner.

And how, pray tell, should a cop investigating a man with a gun call proceed? Do people never lie to the police? Do criminals/law breakers come in all shapes/sizes/colors? What if you were carrying legit but had a warrant (FTA on tickets, child support, any number of reasons an otherwise law abiding person might run afoul of the criminal justice system)? Then the officer'd have to arrest you ad you'd be armed while they were trying to affect that arrest. Dangerous situation. Especially since people never decide they are not going to be arrested today. ANd hw is one to know what category a person will fall into?

Innocent until proven guilty is for court. Law enforcement operations do not deal in absolutes, that for the courts to do. At best cops get to deal with maybes and probably's. Reasonable Suspicion, Probable Cause.

Just like the old line goes “be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone in the room”. . . that goes double for a cop. What hangs us so often is the “polite part, as, I myself have gotten into more then my share of trouble with my mouth.

To that, I simply state: I am not breaking any laws, I am simply exercising my rights.

Good point. And the cops were exercising their legal authority granted to them by the State and their position of office. Sometimes the two intersect in unpleasing ways.
 
Are we really debating if carrying this much hardware is "normal?"

If you are referring to my post, I wasn't debating that issue. My point was that it looks highly abnormal to Wal*Mart corporate types, and they probably are not going to want the OP in their stores - even if you and I were to agree that he had very good reasons for doing so.

Mike
 
Sorry you endured all of that...What an embarrassing hassle...By the way, they don't post anything at the door, do they...???I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if I'm asking an old question...I've never seen anything here in the deep south, at any of the WalMarts...just curious...:confused:
 
I don't think we're debating whether or not carrying that much gear is normal or not. It's cleary not normal to carry three pistols and more than 100 rounds of ammo when running to Wal-Mart. I think the issue is while it was perfectly legal to do so, it compromised his ability to appropriately conceal his weapons. The failure to properly conceal caused the situation to escalate to the level it did. One could argue that in a twist of irony, carrying this much gear actually put the OP at greater risk than carrying a single weapon and a spare mag. It is not inconceivable that this could have gone much worse that it did. As indicated, there was a potential ND on the part of the officer.
 
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As a cop and member of the jackbooted oppressor class, I personally like to go home at the end of my shift.

As I read it, most courts agree pretty strongly with the second part of that.

Me too - if we did not permit LEOs to take reasonable precautions for their own safety, what kind of person would take the job? Probably not people who I would want enforcing laws.

A sense of self-preservation is a sign of mental health. If you require police officers to have no sense of self-preservation then who's left?

If a search/detention is later found to have been unreasonable, the evidence can be thrown out of court. But the court is pretty fond of the desire of police officers to survive their duty shifts. I think it's a pretty good to have police officers who want to go home at the end of the shift.

Mike
 
The officer was right, though. It is NOT normal. Even here, it isn't normal. Are we really debating if carrying this much hardware is "normal?"

side note: "not normal" equals suspicious to our porcine LEO minds.

Even I don't carry that heavy and I've actually been personally threataned by various degenerates.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you nessicarily should. That includes packing an armory. Personally if three magazines of .45 ACP didn't solve my problem I'd just call for a do-over because the bad guy is more of a man then I. . .

Do you live in Beirut? Is the threat level really that high? Even our SERT team only carries a primary long gun and a side arm. I'm not trying to insinuate anything, just wondering what the train of logic is.

Not normal to be that well armed, me thinks they were envious.

I wish I could afford a FN 5.7, so, perhaps yes.
 
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If it's not clear open carry is legal in ColoradoW/ no limit on how many ( or even if they're hand guns FTM). PTK would have been W/in his rights to walk in to that store W/ the weapons openly displayed.

Let me say it again,
PTK wasn't breaking any Colorado law, wasn't behaving in the slightest threatening manner, even if the store was posted the signs would carry no weight under Colorado law.

Surely 12 of Lakewoods finest ( yeah right) could handle one disabled man and a teenage girl. W/ out such an overwhelming show of force.

I get concerned when I see the police deliberately over react to a legal activity. I don't see it as trying to make it through your shift alive I see it as abuse of power W/ the intent to intimidate the citizenry out of exercising their rights.

PTK, here you better use my phone, and call Frank Azar ( inside Colorado joke)
 
I gotta say, I personally wouldn't carry that much, but I don't see anything necessarily wrong with it either. Doesn't surprise me that Wally World management freaked when they saw all that, but those people especially react to their emotion, not compliance under the law.
 
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And how, pray tell, should a cop investigating a man with a gun call proceed?

911 Operator: 911, what is your emergency?

Caller: There's a man with a gun!

911 operator: Is he doing anything threatening?

Caller: The gun is in a holster on his belt and he's in the check out line at Wal-Mart.

911 operator: Sir, carrying a holstered handgun is legal behavior. Unless the man is doing something overtly threatening, there is nothing we can do.


Unless they have reason to believe that a crime is being committed (and carrying a gun or three is not by its self a reason to suspect a crime is being committed) police should leave people alone. In some places it even works that way.
 
Surat, thank you very much for your rare (on THR at least) perspective of how the police mind works. It's making much more sense why the officers responded the way they did after reading your explanations.

When do you want to go back to Pawnee and waste some ammo?

When my back is closer to normal pain.

I get concerned when I see the police deliberately over react to a legal activity. I don't see it as trying to make it through your shift alive I see it as abuse of power W/ the intent to intimidate the citizenry out of exercising their rights.

Agreed. Two of the twelve officers agreed with me on that, too. One called it outright "horse s---". The other asked where I bought the FN 5.7 (Jensen's in Loveland)

For what it's worth, I just got back from another store (King Sooper, a grocer) OCing my standard amount. No issues. :)
 
Oh my gosh

PTK!!!

Hey man.....what can I say?

To heck with the Wal-Mart anyway. Just because we shop there does not mean that they don't suck.

More to the specific point though; I do not personally think that two firearms is too much. If someone wants to carry five, that's his business. Two is adequately defended, and it is really smart too, really smart. That's the kind of brains that will keep you alive, and that is the only thing that counts.

At least the police were at least somewhat sympathetic toward you, and that counts for something. Many police officers are good guys. :):uhoh::uhoh::uhoh::what::what:;);););)
 
Also, I'm not allowed in WalMart, company-wide, now. Not that I'm planning to ever go back anyway!

Not that anyone is still reading this 4 pages in but it's been repeatedly shown that Wal Mart corporate has no policy in place banning customers carrying in states where it is legal.

But of course the truth is boring so everyone wants to jack these stories up into something huge, which they are not. At least from Wal Mart's perspective.

If the manager here "banned you from all stores for eternity" he certainly does not have the authorization to do that, and he's just running his mouth.

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I want to know what happened when you called Wal Mart?

They will say they have no corporate policy and only go by the laws of the state in which the store is located.

This has been done and re-done, but the truth is boring so it keeps coming back up.


Sounds like the real problem here is local LE, not Wal Mart.
 
Sounds like the real problem here is local LE

Winner. The local WM manager has no authority to tell me I can't go to any WM stores. I have not yet called corporate, as I wish to contact a lawyer about this entire situation first. :)
 
I want to know what happened when you called Wal Mart?

Winner. The local WM manager has no authority to tell me I can't go to any WM stores. I have not yet called corporate, as I wish to contact a lawyer about this entire situation first

I think Treo is correct.Why not call corporate HQ and get their opinion?
If negative,which I doubt, then call the lawyer in any case ,if you wish to proceed against them.
Use the KIS formula.It's a winner.
 
Winner. The local WM manager has no authority to tell me I can't go to any WM stores. I have not yet called corporate, as I wish to contact a lawyer about this entire situation first.

Just talking out of my a** here, but it's my impression that if Wal-Mart tresspasses you, it would be highly unwise to violate that commandment, particularly while carrying weapons.


I'm not sure that I disagree with the whole carrying-three-weapons thing, so much as the choice thereof... I don't think you could pay me to carry a Five-seveN, and the NAA does seem somewhat irrelevant with two fullsize pistols as primaries (why not a P32 instead?).
 
I recently took my CCW class here in VA, and the one thing the instructor ( a sheriff from a local county's office) harped on was keeping your CCW concealed. He has had to bust several CCW holders become someone saw their weapon, felt threatened and called it it. In this situation, they have to respond, and in Va will secure you and your weapon until they know what is going on, then issue you a misdemeanor citation. All some idiot has to do is see your CC and feel threatened, and it's considered brandishing, and you get hammered for wearing a shirt that didnt quite do it's job. Sucks, but that's the way it works here. Sounds like it may be very similar in Co. Glad it all worked out for you.
 
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