Woman Harassed for Open Carry

Tell you what, you go ask a lawyer, if your right, I'll pay for the hour, if i'm right, you do.

Some how I doubt it,

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Have you noticed that you've been wrong about virtually EVERYTHING else in this discussion? Yet you persist in baseless assertions pulled from thin air?

Anti-gunners are like that.

you can not change religious laws. A gun is just an object, a religious symbol, is not just an object.

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This guy:


Scoffs at your foolishness.

I am a bit upset with some of what I am seeing here. Anti gun right support on a gun forum? Unless Penn has a odd law like several weard states that says you cant OC if you have a carry permit this is just PC ride in the back of the bus anti-gun civil rights crime.

I'm guessing by your attitude, Rosa Parks should have sat in the back of the bus.

Oh, she had the right to do it, but in a decent, polite society its just wrong to go out of your way to upset and annoy people.

Now, you tell me, exactly what is the difference between engaging in LEGAL open carry and Rosa sitting in the front of the bus?

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ts not the same... you can choose to be armed, you can not choose skin color. This argument is used on THR all the time... Its BS, stop using it.

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The reason you believe that is because you aren’t looking past the skin color. While it’s true that one may not choose skin color, it is also true that she chose to sit at the front of the bus, and not concede that stance on the issue.

It is not a “BS” argument.

Your other arguments seem to have about as much merit.

Isn't anyone bother by

The Sheriff's letter? Some people have said her behavior wasn't as good as it could have been (I wasn't there and I wonder if those posters where) but it makes no mention of that in the letter.

"On September 11, 2008 you were observed at Optimist Park in Lebanon. At that particular time ou were carrying a weapon openly in a belt holster. Unfortunately, some of the individuals at the Optimist Park were upset. Consequently, you are required to surrender your license, as indicated in the following paragraphs"

Basically you upset some people so were taking you license.WHAT?
So if Anti's want they can just speed dial the police about ANYONE OC'ing and say that their upset now take their licence? Because that's how the letter makes it seem. Doesnt say anything about her behaviour behind dangeous, abusive, antagonistic or anything negative about the carrier. It states the complaintant's emotional state. When did random people's emotional state determe your rights?

Can someone else say dangerous precedent? Disgusting I feel bad for the sheriff, I dont think we should all harp the blame on this one guy. I think that the carrier should contact a lawyer and set up a cordial meeting with the sherrif stating her side
I was OC'ing , Its 100% legal, and other peoples objections should not lead to my punishment. I will be OC'ing at all subsequent games because it is my right and that should not be determined by other peoples "feelings".

Example:
I dont feel that I should pay taxes to the government due to my objections to us giving away 700 Billion to private companies because they ****ed up.

Yea thats my feelings, but they dont make it legal for me to stop paying my taxes. Well unless I want a free stay in hotel fed. Feelings dont = legality

Wow

you can not change religious laws. A gun is just an object, a religious symbol, is not just an object.

So I should be able to go down to the hardware store, buy a nuke, and strap it to my back... So that I can protect myself and my family.

nukes = arms... same argument as "shall not be infringed"

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Who said we can't change religious laws? We can, we just choose not to because that would infringe on other people and as an american democracy we embrace all cultures and religions thats one of the best traits of being an American. But if we wanted we could add a constitutional amendment that banned Islam in the U.S.

That nuke arguement is only something I've heard out of an anti. I think it a ludicrous example. First off a nuke is a munition not an arm. Second who the hell have you heard advocating the right to bear WMD's? Saddam? No rational person in america would try to argue that. And dont give me any B.S. that Machine guns are WMD's or else Bush could have said we did find WMD's in Iraq, because almost everyone has full auto Ak's over there.

Sorry for getting a bit political, just trying to dispel how ridiculous that nuke argument is.

There's got to be a joke in here somewhere about the difference between soccer moms and pitbulls (lipstick, and open carry?) - I just can't put my finger on it. Any ideas?

Please don't take this as an endorsement of soccer over hockey, but here goes:

Q: What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull?
A: Lipstick.

Q: What's the difference between a soccer mom and a pitbull?
A: lipstick and a gun.

Q: What's the difference between Meleanie and a pitbull?
A. ...

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I'll get back to you on that one.

Can't change religious laws?

Aren't the American Catholics who want to be able to take Holy Communion even though they are divorced trying to change religious law? They haven't succeeded, yet ... but they will. It's only a matter of time.

Of course you can change religious law.

My wife is on a mommy board and one of the other women on the board and her boyfriend have been showing their support for Melanie by OCing to the soccer games with her. I just thought it was an awesome way to show their support and figured I'd share the link.

http://www.cafemom.com/group/416/boards/read.php?post_id=5838747

I'm waiting for the Opencarrydotorg guys to announce a OC meetup at the soccer field.

It's been discussed at PAFOA, to the conclusion of "inappropriate"

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I would bet that some where in PA law there is a provsion about people watching children "play" that are not yours. That or a loitering law that would apply.

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Think so? A loitering law?

In a PUBLIC PARK?

What exactly is it that you think people DO in public parks, anyways?

I have little doubt that the Local LEA can and would legally remove you.

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Only if I were a registered sex offender, and or if that were part of some sort of terms of parole.

Neither one of those applies to me.

How about you?

And now for the rest of the story...CCW returned

http://www.newsmax.com/us/soccer_mom_gun/2008/10/14/140506.html

Gun-Toting Pa. Mom Gets Back Concealed Gun Permit

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:30 PM

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LEBANON, Pa. -- A mother who angered fellow parents when she openly carried a pistol to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game got her concealed weapons permit back Tuesday after a Pennsylvania judge overruled a sheriff's decision to revoke it.

Meleanie Hain lost the permit after other parents complained about the presence of the gun during a soccer game on Sept. 11. Lebanon County Judge Robert Eby, who said he also is a gun owner with a concealed weapons permit, said the law required him to return Hain's permit.

But he questioned her judgment, saying she "scared the devil" out of others at the soccer field.

"Fear doesn't belong at a kid's soccer game from any source," Eby said.

Hain testified at the Tuesday hearing that she did not intend to intimidate anyone but felt she had to carry the gun openly because warm-weather clothing made it difficult to hide a firearm. She said her husband's line of work, which was not disclosed, made her a "greater target" than the average person.

"I'm certainly not looking to shoot anyone over a goal," she told Eby, also adding that she had carried an unconcealed firearm without any problems in the past.

George Christianson, a lawyer for the Lebanon County Sheriff's office, said the decision would not be appealed.

Hain said she was satisfied and plans to take her gun to a youth soccer game in the future.

"People have the right to voice their opinion ... and I have a right to my Second Amendment right," she said. "A gun-free zone says to a criminal: 'Easy target.'"

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good for her

I'm glad to see she won.

Wow, I'm glad to see that. Thanks for the update!

~Dale

I'd like to know what happens to the sheriff for exceeding his authority and improperly revoking her permit.

Perhaps that will be in the second suit.

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But he questioned her judgment, saying she "scared the devil" out of others at the soccer field.

"Fear doesn't belong at a kid's soccer game from any source," Eby said.

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This is why we need to keep carrying openly as much as possible. If we make it commonplace, the fear will go away.

Hain testified at the Tuesday hearing that she did not intend to intimidate anyone but felt she had to carry the gun openly because warm-weather clothing made it difficult to hide a firearm. She said her husband's line of work, which was not disclosed, made her a "greater target" than the average person.

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Good for her.

But she could have left this out.

This woman has singlehandedly caused an entire group of people to donate to the Brady Campaign.

Way to go. Way to go indeed.


Consider that next time you want to "make a statement". Consider just what "statement" you are making.

This woman has singlehandedly caused an entire group of people to donate to the Brady Campaign.

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Don't care. Those people would support anti-gun organizations anyway.

Don't care. We must not give up our rights in order to avoid making some people nervous.