So I went to pay my cable bill and saw a no gun sign.

my cable company had one of those too, but it was not (quite) the legally binding format.

what i really like is my wife's obstetrician's office. it has the ghostbuster sign with the words "no unlicensed guns allowed". not binding in any way either; just there to please the sheeple. licensees know they can walk right past and those "unlicensees" tend to do whatever they want anyway...



ETA: as much as i like the idea of talking to management about the sign, you're really not going to get anywhere with an organization like time-warner cable. i could have the same conversation with my relatively anti-gun city, but it's not like i can switch my trash/electric/water service to another company. there are fights worth fighting, and i'm all for fighting those. then there are the fights that aren't going to get you anywhere.

i'm putting the cable company in the latter category...

1) its concealed so what is the issue? Just like gays in the military, dont ask dont tell.

2) Its the cable company. If your cable company is like the one here, they would be foolish NOT to put up a sign like that! They have lots of pissed off customers.

So I went to pay my cable bill and saw a no gun sign. ----Eric

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Good post Eric. Two things to say to ya brother:

1. Don't always expect to convince "everyone" that your idea is sensible, even when it is. Some people just argue contrary for strange reasons. Your ideas make sense to me.

2. That sign they had at the cable company about NO GUNS reminds me of the stupid TV commercial from the local electric power company on "parenting". Unbelieveable!


Funny thing though. You just know, if there is any problem at all, that company is going to call LEO. Why? Cause they carry guns, that's why. (Unless of course, LEO's decide to arm themselves with Marshmallows. Then, the communications company can call them because they carry Marshmallows. They'll have their NO MARSHMALLOW sign right up everywhere though! )


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I don't believe I have ever paid a cable bill in person, or any other utility bill for that matter. I have always mailed them in, or more recently they are automatically deducted from my checking account.

Well did you cancel your cable?

Threads like this just give the other side more ammo to use against us.

Man up, show some respect, obey thier signs.

obey thier signs.

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Do you respect a 5 year old that tells you to stop telling him to stop pushing his 2 year old brother off the dock, into the lake?

I do not blindly obey someone that does not have any authority over me. I do what is lawful and correct.

no, but if that 5 year old had a sign on the door of thier play house that said no bubble gum in the club house. I would respect that, rather then not blowing a bubble.

You ever wonder. Does anyone but "us" ever even notice those signs?

I'll bet you the average non gun person never even sees them.

In Va these signs bear little legality. The most they can do here is ask you to leave.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about... its about lack of respect.

If you can't tell I am actually a big supporter of laws like tx 30.06 law. I beleave a well made and vizable sign is just as good as a verbal notification.

Pay em no mind can lead all the way up to having your CCW revoked.

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Maybe that's the way it is in Virginia but it is certainly not the case in Minnesota. All they can do is ask you to leave (no fine or penalty) and if you still refuse, it's treated much like treaspaessing, i.e. it's a petty misdemeaner with a citation.

Threads like this just give the other side more ammo to use against us.

Man up, show some respect, obey thier signs.

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Yes, but some people don't like the taste of Kool-Aid.

Actually, those signs are merely asking you not to bring a sign depicting a revolver into their establishment.

if you can suggest an alternative to the cable company in my area then I will switch

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Books?

I would have taken it as a sign that they did not want me to pay my cable bill and the last month was on the house.

signs

TAB: you remind me of the sheep in germany.the sheep followed the orders right into the ovens. America was born with an independent mind and most of us are still there.there comes a time to say enough is enough and take a stand.I have lived when there was freedom.we let the socialist take over.
McCarthy was right the communists infected the government but he never relised how bad.after he died many went to jail and they were cleaned out.Hollywood still is infected.and so is the news media.

Switch to sattelite, and send them a letter canceling their service and telling them why.

TAB, if they will not respect MY RIGHTS to defend myself which is not only legal in my state and the one in question, even though I have paid out of my pocet for the tools and training to do so, I can in no way give them any respect in return.

The reason these signs are up is because some corporate lawyer thought it would be in the company's best interest to post it so their employees cant carry it and the way to enforce it is to post at every entrance. Including yours.

Just like the Trolley Square shooting here (which had those same signs up) I will not trust a security guard with my safety. When Trolley Square happened the guards ran away. But....But...they had signs up! How can a crazy person NOT obey the signs!?!?!?!? And lets face it the cable company makes even sane people go nuts sometimes, so take a person with mental issues and I can see them getting lit up.

If you feel secure in letting someone else provide your security, knock yourself out. I hope if the time ever comes that you need it it works out for you. Th track record with security guards and even cops says we will be reading your obitiuary. But some of us take responsibility for our own security and safety.

As for the places that post signs......People get with the program. If you are carrying concealed it should not be an issue. I for one open carry about 90% of the time even in the places where they have signs and have yet to have one person say a thing. Most figure with the hair and demenor that I am a cop. And if they ever do I'll give them a business card and talk shop with them. I will take my chances. If they dont respect my God given right to self defense because of some looser lawyer, I will take my business elsewhere.


ETA, the signs are now down at Trolley Square. It only took six people dieing to get it done.

2) Its the cable company. If your cable company is like the one here, they would be foolish NOT to put up a sign like that! They have lots of pissed off customers.

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Please tell me you're joking and don't seriously think that such a sign would stop anyone even remotely planning of going into the office with malicious intent from carrying a firearm with them.

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It would appear you were joking based on your second post.

Please tell me you're joking and don't seriously think that such a sign would stop anyone even remotely planning of going into the office with malicious intent from carrying a firearm with them.

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Do you mean to say that murderers, rapists and serial killers won't obey signs?!?

The reason these signs are up is because some corporate lawyer thought it would be in the company's best interest to post it so their employees cant carry it and the way to enforce it is to post at every entrance. Including yours.

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So its ok for you to have rights, but not them? Seems like protecting themselfs from law suits is a very big deal. I don't know a small biz( and I own one) that would not go under if they were hit with a lawsuit. Even if my insurance would cover it. Outside of payroll/tax/ workmens comp. My insurance is my biggest expense. If it were to go up 50%+ I would most likly have to close up shop.

You have a choice rather you vist thier place of biz. While there you are thier "guest", you would not go into some ones home and do something you knew they forbid. Why would you do it for some ones place of biz?

I would also like to point out, having a gun, does not equal selfdefence. If you really beleave the only way you can defend yourself is with a gun, chances are it will be useless. Its not the hardware, its the software.

In Ohio those signs carry the force of law behind them-
O.R.C.2923.126 c(3):

(3) (a) Except as provided in division (C)(3)(b) of this section, the owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by the state, the United States, or a political subdivision of the state or the United States, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or on those premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on or onto that land or those premises. Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature is guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If a person knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature and the posted land or premises primarily was a parking lot or other parking facility, the person is not guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and instead is subject only to a civil cause of action for trespass based on the violation.

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With work and effort we got the law changed so far that carrying in a posted parking lot is no longer a criminal offense- so those Criminal Protection Zones you have to visit, at least you can carry to-and-from.
Honestly, a business owner can ask yo uto leave for nearly any reason (except the federally protected ones) and have the same force of law as the CPZ signs do.
If you are correctly concealing, it is a nonissue as far as I'm concerned.


Oh, TAB? Our law specifically shields the business owner from lawsuits.

I notice your profile does not list location; can it be somewhere idyllic where self-defense is never needed? If so, I'd like to move there.

not all states have protection of biz owners... even then, all it does it stop a lawsuit. Assuming some one is injuryed, you would still have to deal workmens comp, losing a person( big deal in small biz) and maybe OSHA... trust me, even something as small as a worker cutting themself with a razor knife, is a very, very big headache.

I am all for people being legally armed, but I also strongly feel that a sign forbiding an object from some ones place of biz, should have the wieght of law. I see it as a complete disprespect to disreguard a sign.

Every time I disregard the sign at Santee Cooper (the only place I've ever seen here in Myrtle Beach with correct legal signage)... I do mean them the utmost disrespect and contempt.