coosbaycreep
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Well, about the only extreme thing about mine is how incredibly big and heavy it is.
(sorry for the crappy pics, but the lighting in my house is terrible, my room's a mess, and the fact that the gun is three miles long and won't fit in one pic doesn't help either)
I bought an Egyptian Hakim a few days ago at the local gunshop, and have several stupid, and not so stupid questions about it.
First off, I've already done a search about them on THR. What I basically found out from reading the old posts about them is that they're big, heavy, loud, fairly accurate, fairly reliable, and highly unusual. I also found out that they can be used with 25/30 rd. german MG-13 mags, they sometimes blow up if used with turkish ammo, and that they can almost break your fingers while reloading them sometimes.
I haven't got a chance to shoot mine yet, as I don't have any ammo for it, and won't have any ammo or the chance to shoot it for several weeks most likely, as I am fixing to go on a big cross country roadtrip. Anyway, I planned on ordering some ammo for it before I leave, so that I'll have it waiting for me when I get back.
So, where's the best place to get cheap/safe ammo for my Hakim from? I don't want to hassle with gunbroker, as they won't let me register an account there without a non-Yahoo email address. From what I've read, the Yugo surplus 8mm is suppose to be the best surplus 8mm on the market. Is that true, or is there other kinds of cheap 8mm that I should be looking for? I've also read that domestic 8mm isn't hot enough to cycle the action on Hakims reliably anyway, so I would assume that old surplus 8mm is the only option then.
Also, I'm looking to spend no more than $150-$200 on ammo for this thing, since I don't know how well it's going to shoot, and don't plan on shooting it much even if it does shoot good.
How does 8mm compare to other calibers like .30-06? I haven't actually checked any websites to see what kind of velocities or knockdown power this caliber has, but I would assume it's at least as powerful as 30-06 if not more so.
I've also read that all the surplus 8mm is drying up. Is this true? Is 8mm mauser even used by any militaries anymore? Most of the yugo stuff I've seen was from the '70s, so I would assume that the caliber was still in at least limited use then, but haven't heard/seen anything else about this caliber more recent than that.
What kind of modifications does it take to use the hi-cap german mags with these guns? My hakim came with two mags (I forgot to take pics to post), but I don't think they're hi-cap. Do these use single or double stack mags? If it's single stack, then the two I have are 5 rd. and 10 rd. The big one I have just doesn't look big enough to hold 25 rds.
Is there anywhere other than gunbroker with reasonably priced 25/30 rd. mags in stock for these guns? Buymilsurp.com and Jocoemprise.com are both out, and I haven't found anywhere else that carries them.
The thought of 25 rounds of 8mm in a semi-auto was one of the main reasons I even bought this oversized oddball gun in the first place....well, that and the fact that it's incredibly ugly, which I find appealing. I'd really like to find some cheap hi-cap mags for it without paying $70 a pop for them on gunbroker.
How does the mag release thingie work on these guns? I played around with it a little, and I can't figure out how to get that thing to lock in. The mag still feels fairly secure in the gun without it, but I'd be worried about it falling out under recoil or something if there isn't anything to secure it.
How do you even work these guns in the first place? It doesn't have a charging handle, and I know you're suppose to do something with the dust cover thingie to chamber a round, but I don't really know for sure, and the jerks at the gunshop wouldn't take the time to show me, despite the fact that I spend a lot of money (that I don't really have to be spending) in their store.
I've read numerous warnings about these guns pinching hands while loading them. Can that be avoided somehow? While I was screwing around trying to figure out how mine works, it slammed shut a few times, and it was obvious to see how these guns could have that kind of reputation for seriously smashing people's fingers.
What about bayonets? Mine came with a sling, but no bayonet, but it has a bayonet lug I believe. Other than a grenade launcher, there's nothing cooler than a gun with a knife on it. Do these guns take a proprietary bayonet, or will they interchange with other more common guns?
I know most people here are against "bubba" rifles, but is there any "tacticool" stocks or anything for these guns? I imagine it would be a bad idea to shorten the barrel because of the muzzle brake, but if this thing had a black stock with a pistol grip, bayonet, 25rd mag, and someone stronger than me to lug this heavy thing around all day, I think the hakim could be a relatively practical gun, instead of some oddball obsolete hand smasher.
thanks
(sorry for the crappy pics, but the lighting in my house is terrible, my room's a mess, and the fact that the gun is three miles long and won't fit in one pic doesn't help either)
I bought an Egyptian Hakim a few days ago at the local gunshop, and have several stupid, and not so stupid questions about it.
First off, I've already done a search about them on THR. What I basically found out from reading the old posts about them is that they're big, heavy, loud, fairly accurate, fairly reliable, and highly unusual. I also found out that they can be used with 25/30 rd. german MG-13 mags, they sometimes blow up if used with turkish ammo, and that they can almost break your fingers while reloading them sometimes.
I haven't got a chance to shoot mine yet, as I don't have any ammo for it, and won't have any ammo or the chance to shoot it for several weeks most likely, as I am fixing to go on a big cross country roadtrip. Anyway, I planned on ordering some ammo for it before I leave, so that I'll have it waiting for me when I get back.
So, where's the best place to get cheap/safe ammo for my Hakim from? I don't want to hassle with gunbroker, as they won't let me register an account there without a non-Yahoo email address. From what I've read, the Yugo surplus 8mm is suppose to be the best surplus 8mm on the market. Is that true, or is there other kinds of cheap 8mm that I should be looking for? I've also read that domestic 8mm isn't hot enough to cycle the action on Hakims reliably anyway, so I would assume that old surplus 8mm is the only option then.
Also, I'm looking to spend no more than $150-$200 on ammo for this thing, since I don't know how well it's going to shoot, and don't plan on shooting it much even if it does shoot good.
How does 8mm compare to other calibers like .30-06? I haven't actually checked any websites to see what kind of velocities or knockdown power this caliber has, but I would assume it's at least as powerful as 30-06 if not more so.
I've also read that all the surplus 8mm is drying up. Is this true? Is 8mm mauser even used by any militaries anymore? Most of the yugo stuff I've seen was from the '70s, so I would assume that the caliber was still in at least limited use then, but haven't heard/seen anything else about this caliber more recent than that.
What kind of modifications does it take to use the hi-cap german mags with these guns? My hakim came with two mags (I forgot to take pics to post), but I don't think they're hi-cap. Do these use single or double stack mags? If it's single stack, then the two I have are 5 rd. and 10 rd. The big one I have just doesn't look big enough to hold 25 rds.
Is there anywhere other than gunbroker with reasonably priced 25/30 rd. mags in stock for these guns? Buymilsurp.com and Jocoemprise.com are both out, and I haven't found anywhere else that carries them.
The thought of 25 rounds of 8mm in a semi-auto was one of the main reasons I even bought this oversized oddball gun in the first place....well, that and the fact that it's incredibly ugly, which I find appealing. I'd really like to find some cheap hi-cap mags for it without paying $70 a pop for them on gunbroker.
How does the mag release thingie work on these guns? I played around with it a little, and I can't figure out how to get that thing to lock in. The mag still feels fairly secure in the gun without it, but I'd be worried about it falling out under recoil or something if there isn't anything to secure it.
How do you even work these guns in the first place? It doesn't have a charging handle, and I know you're suppose to do something with the dust cover thingie to chamber a round, but I don't really know for sure, and the jerks at the gunshop wouldn't take the time to show me, despite the fact that I spend a lot of money (that I don't really have to be spending) in their store.
I've read numerous warnings about these guns pinching hands while loading them. Can that be avoided somehow? While I was screwing around trying to figure out how mine works, it slammed shut a few times, and it was obvious to see how these guns could have that kind of reputation for seriously smashing people's fingers.
What about bayonets? Mine came with a sling, but no bayonet, but it has a bayonet lug I believe. Other than a grenade launcher, there's nothing cooler than a gun with a knife on it. Do these guns take a proprietary bayonet, or will they interchange with other more common guns?
I know most people here are against "bubba" rifles, but is there any "tacticool" stocks or anything for these guns? I imagine it would be a bad idea to shorten the barrel because of the muzzle brake, but if this thing had a black stock with a pistol grip, bayonet, 25rd mag, and someone stronger than me to lug this heavy thing around all day, I think the hakim could be a relatively practical gun, instead of some oddball obsolete hand smasher.
thanks
