Stoeger Coach Gun?

brasskeeper said:

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Does Beretta own Franchi and Benelli too? If you go to Franchi's website you will see info on Stoeger and Benelli shotguns

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go to http://www.beretta.com/ and mouse over group







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I have a cz-usa coach gun made by huglu. It's a real beauty. It came with screw in chokes. It's been discontinued but has been replaced with a hammer coach gun that looks just as good. Concerning recoil I don't have much of a problem with this, could be my size, but that's all pretty individualistic anyway. I've looked at the stoegers. You get whatever fits your budget better.

http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=77

Originally Posted by sanglat go to http://www.beretta.com/ and mouse over group

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Sanglat if you mouse over to http://www.franchiusa.com/?Lingua=usa you will see the same info. Does that mean Franchi owns Beretta?

sorry 'bout being flippant(i must have mistook the tone of your last post) but here's a quote and link if you really wanted to know

Beretta U.S.A. is part of the Beretta Holding Group. Controlled by the Beretta family, the group encompasses key manufacturers of field and competition firearms and optics, as well as trading and distribution companies in Italy and abroad including Benelli, Franchi and Uberti in Italy, and Sako and Tikka in Finland. The oldest among them, Fabbrica d’Armi Pietro Beretta S.p.A. (Pietro Beretta arms manufacturing company), which has been handed down over fifteen generations, was active in the village of Gardone Val Trompia in the fifteenth century. Documentary evidence for the family business dates back to 1526. Cav. Ugo Gussalli Beretta and his sons, Pietro and Franco, run the company today.

can't find the information on beretta's page anymore

sang

I have a Stoger coach gun in 20ga with a cut off shoulder stock covered up with a hogue slip over finger grove grip. Its not my primary HD gun but I would certainly trust it for that.

Without a stock it resembles a howdah style pistol more than a shotgun and in 20ga the recoil very managable with basic walmart #7 target loads. I bought it for 215$ out the door with the idea of spending another 100$ to add a proper stock to it and I may still get around to that one of these days but after putting a couple of boxes of shells down range I actually kinda like it just the way it is. ( It evenly peppers the 7 ring on a standard b27 target at ranges of 7-10 yds )

sanglant: Thanks I had no Idea that beretta owned those companies. I always thought Benelli & Franchi were competers of beretta

I used to have a Stoeger Silverado (kinda wish I still had it) and currently have a plain jane Spartan. Can't really argue at this point about which is "better" although the Stoeger seemed a bit better finished. The Spartan, however, has one attribute that to me makes it better for keeping in a HD role. The Spartan has rebounding firing pins which makes it possible to drop the hammers on snap caps, remove the forearm, open the barrels and replace the snap caps with live rounds, close the barrels and replace the forearm. You now have a loaded shotgun with the hammers down that can be made ready by simply cracking open the gun. Faster than loading it. The Stoeger's design makes it very difficult, almost impossible to replace the forearm if the hammers are down and as I remember the stoeger firing pins protrude when down. Consequently, the Stoeger has to be kept loaded with safety on, kept loaded with action broken open, or kept unloaded and loaded when needed. I would prefer to keep the action on a HD weapon uncocked most of the time if possible. I keep a pump with empty chamber and hammer down in another location also.

I have one (soon to be had) that I used exclusively for Cowboy Action Shooting. They are solidly built, and have fixed chokes of Modified, and Improved (I THINK this is the choke size for each).

I have run approximately 600 rounds through mine including Black Powder and Smokeless with no problems.

Recoil can be a little harsh sometimes, but a rubber butt pad, along with a mercury tube used with the AA Winchester "Featherlights" (half noise and half recoil) loads make this into a SWEET shooter.

Since I am leaving CAS and have no other use for the Stoeger, I am selling mine on Gunbroker. I have other shotguns that fit the home defense requirements.

I think this model SXS would be decent enough for it. I just don't like being limited to 2 rounds before reloading.

The stoeger is easy to close uncocked. With the gun open all the way, shells in chambers, hold both triggers down. This prevents the sears from engaging. Then close the action, and the hammers lower as you close.

~~~Mat

Mat, that's interesting information to know. Thanks for sharing it.

I take it there's no auto-safety on the Stoeger?

"I take it there's no auto-safety on the Stoeger?"

I believe there is. I just got back from my local gun store and handled a couple of Stoeger Coach guns. The safety engaged everytime I opened the action. MCgunner, I saw in a previous topic that you have an SPR220. How do you like it and does it have an auto safety? Pics would be nice to. I'm really looking at getting a coach gun.

Thanks, Flip
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I have the Stoeger 'Coach in 12ga Mag - the internal hammer design. it is choked improved cylinder right bbl and modified choke left bbl.
I had a problem with the cocking system in it - the cocking arms bear on the wood of the fore-end in the slots for them and the wood got depressed enough that the arm didn't have enough travel to lock in.
I solved the problem by squaring the heads of 2 large tacks to fit down into the recesses for the cocking arms and drove them into the wood for a 'bearing surface'. the cocking systems has quite stiff springs - the fireing pin really puts an indent into the primer.
other than than small flaw abslolutely reliable. built like a tank.
it does have a safety - the slide type mounted atop the breech tang. easy to use.
it shoots good - handles and comes to shoulder well and patterns well, I use it for rabbits, quail, grouse and such besides haveing it leaned in near corner of my bed by the nite-lite.
I installed a large reddish-pink 'day-glo' flourescent front bead on mine.
it's the only weapon I own that I feel invincible with when wielding it with my Makarov carried in pants holster.

MCgunner, I saw in a previous topic that you have an SPR220. How do you like it and does it have an auto safety? Pics would be nice to. I'm really looking at getting a coach gun.

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I like it a lot, points quickly and naturally for me. I primarily bought the thing for hunting, but I like it for defense, too. The choke tubes add a LOT of versatility to the gun.

Wood fit is typical of a less expensive field gun, overlaps everywhere. Ain't as bad as a H&R single barrel, but you get the idea. Wood is plain and metal lacks adornment, it's all business. Pretty is as pretty does and it shoots very well. Choked M/IC it's deadly on doves. I choke it cyl/IC for teal and it's deadly with 3" number 4 steel shot. In 20 gauge, recoil is a non-issue, but it lets you know it's a gun with 3" loads. I put 4 boxes through it in a 3 day dove hunt when I first got it and my shoulder wasn't sore, nice. I did just about as well with it as with my 12s, too, 3 limits. Factoring in birds I couldn't find, I shot close to one for 2, not quite, call it one for 2 1/2 shots, but that ain't shabby at all for ME, not on doves. Not much, if any better with my Winchester 1400 12 gauge. Slugs are sweet in it and hit well at 50 yards with a little Kentucky windage to account for barrel regulation at that range. It's regulated to about 30 yards. groups about 2-3" at 50 with Remington slugs. I am not entertaining hunting with slugs in the gun, but I like knowing it'll shoot 'em and how it shoots for the survival gun application. And, I do carry a slug or two with me when I dove hunt my place. You never know when a hog is going to come stumbling by.

The main thing you have to remember with a coach gun when wing shooting is to concentrate on swing and follow through. IT's whippy as hell compared to a repeater, especially a 12 gauge repeater, and you will find yourself swinging past the target or swinging erratically. It makes you pay attention to what you're doing and I think that's a good thing. It points very fast. If I quail hunted, I think it'd make an awesome quail gun. It has become a favorite dove gun and as I often take my GoldWing motorcycle on hunts, it stows easily in the saddle bags or top trunk. That right there is 90 percent of why I wanted it. But, I've since become hooked on it and take it in the truck and leave my 12s home. I grab it just when I wanna take a walk in the woods, so danged versatile, like a combo gun, really, with slug and shot loaded. I am a rifleman at heart, but this thing is just too versatile to leave home and with a slug, it's almost like shooting a rifle, limited as its range may be.

Oh, almost for got, but length of pull on the gun is quite short. I added a Pachmayr recoil pad to it not because of recoil, but made the gun fit me a lot better, especially in dove season when I'm normally in shirt sleeves. Fit is important.

Now, is your a 12 or a 20 ga? What chokes do you like to use when just walking and when using slugs? How easy is it to break down? I'm looking to also use it as a travel/trunk gun that easily stows away in a suitcase to be reassembled in a hotel room for those multinight stays that I seem to be having alot of lately.

Thanks, Flip.

Mine's a 20, but they make a 12 in he same gun. Comes with cylinder, IC, Mod, full chokes. IC/Mod is most used afield and I replace the mod with cylinder when I wanna tote a slug. Don't have to, but gives a little better accuracy than choking the barrel. I tried IC/Full on doves, but full just seemed too tight. Really patterns well at 40 yards, very tight, but doves are normally inside 40 yards when I shoot at 'em. You really have to be ON 'em with the full choke. When teal hunting over decoys with steel shot, cyl/IC is the ticket. Steel requires less choke. The gun is really quick on those low flying teal that surprise you early morning. So far, all I've used on teal is steel 4s in 3" hulls. 20 gauge is a little light for big ducks, but will do the job over decoys if you can keep 'em 35 yards and in. I really prefer to use a 12 on big ducks, though.

The gun breaks down quick, like most coach guns. Just has a lever under the fore end to flip and the fore end comes off, then open the breech and remove the barrels. Takes less time than typing about it and I'm a fast typer. I load up with 20 count number 3 Remington buckshot for self defense and keep a couple of slugs in my butt cuff just in case. I keep the IC and cylinder chokes in the gun for defense. If I'm working down at my place or just casual field use, carry while hiking and I'm not hunting particularly any specific animal, I'll just carry it with the cly/IC chokes I put in it for defense. I load the left cyl bore with a slug, the right IC with a 6 or 7.5 to be used on rabbit if I jump one or some such just general utility. If I think I might need some range past 25 or 30 yrds, I might slip the mod choke in the right barrel, but usually just leave the IC. Reason I put the cyl in the left barrel is that I KNOW if rabbit jumps, my first instinct is to go to the front trigger. If I see a hog or something, my first instinct is to go to the rear trigger on a long shot. The rear trigger fires the left barrel. I've been shooting doubles for a long time and old habits are very hard to break.

I don't know that the Spartan is any better than the Stoeger for self defense use, but the choke tubes sure improve its versatility if you even THINK you might wanna shoot clays or hunt with it sometime.

I found one in 12 ga for a REAL decent price and am thinking real hard on it. There is also a Stoeger for sale in the classifieds also that seems nice to.

Flip.

Cool. I just got a 20 cause I already had 3 12s and wanted another 20. I had a wingmaster in 20 when I was a kid and know 20 will do MOST of what a 12 will do in the field. 12 is a better choice, of course, for pure self defense which is your priority. Too, I know how my old light side by side kicks with 3" 12s in it and wanted something a little easier on my old bones when I went dove hunting, which can involve a lot of shooting, why I love to do it. I should get my H&R 10 gauge this week. Then, I will only lack 28 gauge for a halfway common collection. I mean, I don't consider odd stuff like 32 or 4 bore. LOL My .410 is a 10" contender, but hey, I really got little use for a long gun in that bore size.

MCGunner summed it up for the SP220- mine is 12Ga, and I will likely add a 20 also.

Excellent value for the money; not fancy, but works every time, enough weight to help with the recoil of slugs & buck.