Issue weapons for security company

Clearly a put-on

Folks, this is cleary a put-on. The OP may work in the security biz in some form or fashion, may be former military or LE, but certainly does not own a company contracting for work with major municipalities. The leaders of companys that do hold those contracts don't solicit equipment advice on internet forums. This should be painfully obvious.

Furthermore, the OP really showed his hand when he claimed 250K gross over the last 6 months. In no way would 250K cover the costs associated with payroll/benefits, equipment costs and maintenance, misc. supplies, liability insurance, taxes, etc. not mention profit.

My guess is this individual may work in the field and just fantasizes about being an operator and had the thought, "man, if I had my own security company that engaged bad buys regularly, I'd want these weapons. I wonder what other people would think about this set-up."

Regards,

FmrMarine

Wonderful Job folks what's this two new members we've ran off this week?
Good On Ya High Road!!

There are private security firms out there that do cover that market (think Nuclear Power Plants) the company he's claiming is real

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But Treo, he is not guarding a nuke plant, he is talking about sending heavily armed, military like, squads of rent - a - cops into densely populated apartment complexes.

He is not Blackwater, he is not Wackenhut, he is not running Seal Team Six;-) He is talking about arming Gecko and Gunkid, with all their dream weapons and turning them loose in housing complexes. I think the good residents of these government ghettoes would be better served if he supplied his officers with good vests, hardened vehicles, first rate radios, a good revolver, and a bullet.

This all sounds like a Barney massacre waiting for a place to happen.

But the amusement value is off the charts.

With all respect Treo

I think pointing out something that is clearly bogus attracts more members than it repels. Many people, myself included, lurk around a board and read many threads to get a feel for the community before joining. If one sees a poster like this taken seriously it makes the board look a bit foolish, and one could lose respect for the community for looking like a bunch of rubes. When informed, intelligent people question that which is patently false, it makes the board look like people who take the subject matter seriously and aren't keen on people running a game on them.

Having said that, it isn't necessary to degrade someone or take the comments beyond pointing out the fallacies in the statements which reveal the OP as not being legitimate.

Regards,

FmrMarine

If one sees a poster like this taken seriously it makes the board look a bit foolish, and one could lose respect for the community for looking like a bunch of rubes. When informed, intelligent people question that which is patently false, it makes the board look like people who take the subject matter seriously and aren't keen on people running a game on them.

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Agreed. It was the serious, grounded nature of discussion at THR that really attracted me to this board to begin with, too. Seeing threads like this one... the whole premise just doesn't jive with THR, to me at least. Maybe that's why I went after him so hard... whether it was the right thing to do or not.

you need to read the mall ninja thread.

SoCalShooter -

This one?

http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

Best laugh I've probably ever had on the interwebs

To the post and quote at the top of the page-


I was the one who mentioned a particular company, I cant speak for what the op is, or isnt, only what Ive done.

If theres an issue w/ me then say it, if it was meant for the OP carry on

This one?

http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

Best laugh I've probably ever had on the interwebs

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That is, indeed, the one. I won't read it while I'm at work. Just thinking about it is enough to make it hard not to break out in laughter, thus causing everyone to realize that I'm not working...

If theres an issue w/ me then say it, if it was meant for the OP carry on

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I've never meant to insinuate that what you were doing wasn't legitimate, only that what the OP said was rediculous. I'm sorry if I came across the wrong way... I acknowledge that a) Private security firms do exist in large numbers, b) There are lots of bad places in America, and c) Sometimes Security guards do need guns...















But not in 7.62x39 for raiding "open air drug markets," even if they do exist. NOBODY here in America pays a private security guard (NOT private Law Enforcement) to raid "open air drug markets" with body armor and fighting rifles.

I don't really think it's very High Road to make assumptions and accusations to someone who posted a simple gun opinion and preference question to a gun-forum full of gunnies who typically like to talk about these sorts of things.

It's an honest questions regardless of who scottish_lord is or what he does. He deserves to be taken at his word and have his question answered in a manner in which it was asked, simply an opinion question to people who would have an opinion on such things.

The Mall Ninja argument is a humorous one to me considering who we all are, gun people. Someone who doesn't carry a gun would probably call you a Mall Ninja for carrying your J-frame in your business suit, "what do you think you're James Bond or something." And besides what's wrong with Mall Ninjas, they drive the consumer gun and accesory market and if you're a gun nut you're definitely a mall ninja by some stretch. I personally love to hear what everyone thinks are the best guns and accessories for certain situations in which 99.5% of us will never find ourselves in. That's why I clicked on this thread to give my totally free opinion as a gun owner and shooter.

If you're really that concerned about the legitimacy of his story then become a detective or join the FBI and investigate frauds, but this was a thread asking Glock or Beretta, Remmy or Mossy, Galil or M4... and he gave you some background to put it into context for which one you would choose and why. It's not very high road to make accusations and imply this guy is a liar because he asked about gun opinions from us, gun owners, isn't that what most of this forum is based on anyway???

GLOCKER I think you are missing the point.

This forum is here to promote education and responsible use of fire arms.

What this gentlemen is talking about pertains to neither, and makes us look foolish, even borderline "nutty" with our support.

EDIT: the whole idea reminds me of something out of 'Burn Notice'

Scottish Lord "Note the $250,000 is profit grossed, not overall income grossed. The operation has more than enough money to support itself."


I thought this was being planned. Now it's in operation
Boy this guy works fast, wish he could help me mow my lawn.

Quote: Scottish Lord, "For those who are still dead-set, I recommend cracking your state code books and reading on the authority to arrest, the private security and detective industries, and private police departments. You may be shocked by how far some of you have inserted your legs into your mouths.
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Still waiting for you to answer El Chupacabra on that very question... and waiting... and waiting...zzzzzzzzzzz

I must have missed something. I read the entire thread, even the flames, but failed to notice any rational explanation why a highly trained and well armed private security force is "nutty."

Not to mention that many private security forces have at their disposal some pretty serious weaponry, depending on what they are tasked to defend.

Also, in many jurisdictions, armed security personell working for a private security provider, and properly licensed by the state are, in fact, considered "special law enforcement" personnel.

In my opinion, "The High Road" wasn't all that high in this instance.

Go Stealers!

"Laird:"

You must expect the range of replies here. The audience varies widely in age, experience and soundness of mind.

You had mentioned more expensive firearms, e.g. the SIG 556.
A recommendation.
Let your employees select their own choice, and compliment the price difference out of their own pay from some base price firearm with the option to buy upon leaving the company.

Happy employees will make things better all the way around.

And presuming that they stick with standardized ammunition that you have
selected before hand.

James T. Thomas said,

A recommendation.
Let your employees select their own choice, and compliment the price difference out of their own pay from some base price firearm.

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Good advice. That is what I do. (At risk of being flammed by the self-appointed security "experts" on the forum, I too manage a large, well armed private security force tasked with defending a tier 1 defense contractor.)

I have a list of acceptable side arms, accompanied by a preference for caliber (my preference is for SW .40.) and allow my people to select whichever one they are most comfortable with. They have 90 days from date of hire to settle on a weapon of choice and qualify with that weapon (they don't carry on the job until they have completed a 90 day probation period). It seems to work well and avoids trying to make "one size fit all" while preventing some poor misguided soul from thinking a .38 5 shot revolver with a 2" barrel is an effective duty weapon.

I too manage a large, well armed private security force tasked with defending a tier 1 defense contractor.

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But he is not defending a Nuke Plant, or a tier 1 defense contractor. He is planning for military squad firefights with drug gangs in the middle of densely populated housing projects, where his guys are need because the local LEO's fear to tread there. Are you saying you don't see something Walter Mitty-ish in the planed 'deployment' of these "special law enforcement" personnel?

S&W M&P 40 over the Glock, just to support an American company. They are good guns, and your men should have the option of fitting them with the CTC laser grip. This may also have the same effect you describe regarding the pumping of the shotgun.

Any of the shotties would be fine. Choose based on customer service reputation and location of manufacture.

For the rifle, go with the 5.56. They are typically more accurate, and if your guard needs a rifle, what he is after is accuracy. Ammo also weighs less and takes up less room. If penetration is not an issue, why bother with the bigger round? Try not to let your personal preference dictate what your men will be counting on. Last thing is that if it comes down to a court case in which a bystander is hurt, you would not want to have to explain why you chose the less accurate rifle.

He is planning for military squad firefights with drug gangs in the middle of densely populated housing projects, where his guys are need because the local LEO's fear to tread there

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lol EXACTLY

The OP must be quite proud that he has gotten this many responses, but he should have bowed out before he contradicted himself so many times. Still, this has been one of the best trolls in the history of High Road, at least as long as I have been here.

I don't really care what negative posters think. If you were so schooled on the laws, trade, and operation of private security, you would probably have a company too.

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Uh, no. I've been an owner/co-owner of three companies and there is no way I would ever start a private security company, regardless of my level of knowledge in the field.

I am pretty sure that when the Fraternal Order of Police hears about a private security firm arming up to do their job, that PSF will be taken to court by the unions, for the sake of "job security".

Hey, is happened to the C.S.O.'s.

DOWN WITH THE WRETCHED CHART!!!

the capital of CT has been for the past 15 years phasing out its section 8 projects (had 6 by name and 9 by devision). the last one, Dutch Point ( still 1/3 occupied) close to the original Colt building is in such disarray being run by at least 2 gangs the police are aware of, that maintenance by the city has ceased. no lawn mowing, no plumbing fixing, no security, no nothing. and articles in the hartford courant read along the lines of: the police will not go in there after dark --period. those left living there have been assisted by the Guardian Angels and more of late--guess what: a armed and privately operated security detail paid for by the city and state.
whether Scot man is a troll or a wanna-be or real; situations and fire power such as he describes are real.