Supressor questions

So you intend to apply a sound suppressor onto the barrel of a semi automatic AR15 type rifle?
Well the first few things to think of is what speed the projectiles will travel at because if we use regular ammo (2500+ feet per second or so), you sound suppressor is not a sound suppressor at all but just a really heavy and expensive flash suppressor.
M4?
How long is your barrel if you remove your stock muzzle break (If equipped).
Are you venturing into violation b an unregistered short barrel rifle?

It should be registered and require a $200 tax stamp.
Well, it should not. But it does need to be.

I think the OP means composition wise or what material they are made of/manufacturing process to look for and what to avoid could be wrong but that was my impression if not i'd like to know these things HIJACK!

If you do decide to get one for the AR then get a 30 cal supressor so you can use it at a later stage on a bolt action rifle with subsonic rounds.

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Well the first few things to think of is what speed the projectiles will travel at because if we use regular ammo (2500+ feet per second or so), you sound suppressor is not a sound suppressor at all but just a really heavy and expensive flash suppressor.

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Not exactly true. A suppressor will reduce the sound created as the bullet initially leaves the barrel, but it will do nothing for the sound created by the supersonic crack as the bullet travels downrange (assuming you're not using subsonic ammo). There will still be a noticable difference between supersonic ammo with a can versus supersonic without a can, due to the additional sound of the initial blast. Subsonic ammo can be bought in .223 (Engel Ballistic Reasearch makes some good stuff), but subsonic .223 will not cycle the action.

Yeah I know about the tax and the inc needed

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Incorporation is one way to go, but not recommended if you can do it as an individual.

If you do decide to get one for the AR then get a 30 cal supressor so you can use it at a later stage on a bolt action rifle with subsonic rounds.

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One problem is that you're going to have to have the can specially threaded as most .30 cans have a different thread pitch than 5.56 cans. Also, because a .30 can is necessarily going to have a larger opening in the baffles to accomodate a .30 cal bullet, its going to be significantly more loud than a can with a smaller opening, such as a dedicated .223 can.

Your pretty much chasing your tail here.

You can get a "can" and it will cost you a good chunk of change, then you have the $200 for the Tax Stamp.

You will get some sound abatement, but unless you go subsonic the reduction is hardly worth the cost. And if you do go subsonic then you have a reduction in functionality of your rifle.

Darned if you do, darned if you don't ...

You want to go the suppression route get something in a pistol caliber.

I must disagree with you,contenderman. Most .223 suppressors will bring the sound down to be hearing safe depending on where you are shooting. If you are on an indoor range, the supersonic crack will sound like a gunshot. If you are in more open areas, it is much milder. Impulse sounds such as gunshots can be up to 160dB (20 over the limit imposed by OSHA and co.) Hearing protection in the form of plugs and muffs together only abate 30-35dB of sound. That is still a lot of pressure touching your ears and over time can lead to damage. Using a suppressor as well as hearing protection nullifies any realistic risk of hearing damage.

Being able to keep my hearing is worth $900 in can and stamp.

would it be possible to have a sort of adapter to allow it to be used on something with different threading, or would the BATF try to claim it is another suppressor. i am assuming that removable baffles to allow different calibers might be a no-no. actually it might be worth drawing up a design and sending a letter to the BATF to get a ruling on it. i know you cant repair a suppressor as they claim it is another case of manufacturing, but since the serial is on the outside casing would it be possible to design a screw in baffle and barrel adapter. and only have to register the casing as the baffle is not a suppressor until it is assembled and the shell is already registered as a suppressor? much like putting a different upper caliber on a registered ar-15 receiver.

Incorporation is one way to go, but not recommended if you can do it as an individual.

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Why?

stampsm,
You can very likely get TROSUSA to make you a thread adapter. They are not illegal as they are not a part of the can, in the same way a threaded rifle barrel is not part of the can.

Also, BATFE policy is that each individual baffle constitutes a suppressor on its own. That is why if you build a form 1 suppressor you cannot build extra baffles to keep around as spare parts (though whether or not you can later on build baffles to replace damaged ones is debated). Therefore, your idea about interchangeable baffle stacks won't work without a second stamp.

People who think eliminating the muzzle blast of an AR-15 isn't worth the ~$600 or so of a good silencer..... have you even fired a silenced AR-15? It's night and day in terms of user friendliness.

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Crushbup,

Your right, without loss of functionality you can get a .223 down to less than 160 db, especially in an open or outdoor setting.

However, with that said ... what is the objective of the buyer, they did not state it. Are they looking to protect their hearing, or to "stealth" their rifle?

If it's hearing protection you can get top of the line equipment for less than the typical cost of a suppressor and tax stamp ... and you do not have the local and federal boys and girls to contend with.

If "stealth" is the objective ... having the can, even outdoors, will produce noise levels in the neighborhood of that created by fire alarms, backup alarms on truck and const. eq., etc. Consider the "noise" created (100 db +/-) by the alarms mentioned ... do you want to lay out all that money, etc., to still have a report level that high. If the answer is yes, then heck, by all means go spend the money and enjoy your purchase.

If the answer to the above is no, and what you would like to do is shoot on your or another's property without drawing the ire of the neighbors (and possibly the "authorities") then move down to pistol caliber or even rimfire.

Plugs/muffs alone will not prevent hearing loss from the report of an AR-15. I always use my silencer, to be safe.

Suppressor makes a huge difference on my AR-15 SBR. It sounds much like a .22 and not a .223, mostly from the echo from the backstop. Definitely worthwhile, you'll enjoy it. And yes, I run M193 and other full-power ammo through my suppressor!

If you can setup a trust, go that route over individual. The paperwork then won't require photos/fingerprints/CLEO signature, and more importantly, it will be processed more quickly!

There are a variety of quality 5.56mm suppressors to consider. I have a Gem-tech M4-96D that I purchased used from a local SOT at an excellent price. Gem-tech's customer support ranks as one of the best I've ever experienced anywhere. The 96D is an older model. The current model is the G5.

You might also look at YHM or Tac Inc for less expensive, functional AR-15 suppressors.

Mantis86-

I've fired suppressed ARs quite a bit. A good supressor is an EXCELLENT investment.

I suggest you contact PvtPyle via PM for info on them. He is very well versed on the paperwork involved, and on which ones are worth what.

I agree with Ben Shepard, besides PvtPyle you alsocheck with Correia Since they work togethor. My friend has one on a 10.5 ar and it is great for hunting jack rabbits.

Here is a link to a very quiet AR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiUpjIHIAo&NR=1

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-and then Reflex-vaimentimet.

Incorporation is one way to go, but not recommended if you can do it as an individual.

Why?

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Because unlike a corporate entity, as an individual there are no annual filings to be made. If you forget a required filing, your corp. may cease to exist under your state's law leaving you in possession of an NFA weapon not registered to you individually. There can also be annual fees, business licenses, etc., all of which must be maintained to keep the corp valid.

With a trust, you have to be very careful as to how you set it up and you should consult an attorney in your state to do it. Many people say you can use an off-the-shelf software package, but I've seen NFA holding trusts created that have significant problems which could technically invalidate the trust, again leaving you in possession of an NFA weapon not registered to you individually.

As an individual, there are no annual filings, no need to consult an attorney or stay current on developments in corporate or trust/eststes law that could affect the entity (corp or trust) holding the NFA items.

You will get some sound abatement, but unless you go subsonic the reduction is hardly worth the cost. And if you do go subsonic then you have a reduction in functionality of your rifle.

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That is such a load of crap.

I've fired thousands of rounds through suppressed 5.56 guns, and I've been around the shooting of tens of thousands of rounds through various suppressed guns. There is a HUGE difference even when firing regular supersonic ammo.

The "devestating" supersonic crack is really only devestating on the internet.

The crack is a whole lot louder when the bullets are passing by you, than to the person doing the shooting.

Using a Tac Inv basic can, my 10.5 gun sounds like a .22 WMR. Using an AAC SPR on a 12 inch sounds like a regular .22 LR. I'd say that is pretty darn significant.

I used Quicken WillMaker 08 to create my Living Trust for my SBR AK74.

It was reasonably easy to do, and explained to me in detail some of the questions that I had.

I also did plenty of research on the web before committing to go this way. I sent my paperwork in when I thought everything was in order, and was approved 57 days later.

If I die the weapon goes to the next officer of the Trust, who is my wife. After that it goes to my dad, and then my mother.

The WillMaker software was $20, and getting things notarized cost another 20 bucks. I can understand the recommendation to go to an attorney, but I am just too frugal for that.

Obviously it worked for me because my NFA AK is in my hands with no legal problems. Whichever way you go, double & triple check EVERYTHING before the paperwork is finally sent off the the Feds.

You had to pay to get stuff notarized? Weird, never heard of that before. My bank always did it for free before I started working with several notaries.

A suppressor is well worth the money. Being able to shoot without hearing protection is a big deal to me. My .223 can (AAC M4-1000) is hearing safe. My .22 can is Hollywood quiet. I can shoot it in the back yard in the middle of my subdivision and the neighbors have no idea. I have no love for Gemtech and will never buy one of their products. AAC and SWR are my top choices for cans. Phil at Innovative Arms built me a nice .22 can for $260.

One thing about suppressed ARs is the gassing. You'll get a ton of gas in your face coming up over the charging handle. It doesn't hurt, but man is it annoying. ATV sealant (available at car stores) will fix it.