legal to build ar after ban?

The "assault weapon ban" has expired, no longer in effect.

So you would be OK to build an AR (assuming you are in a state where ARs are legal).

I think what the OP is asking is would it be OK to buy a stripped lower now and then complete the build after (if there is) a new "ban".

I would have to say it would depend on the wording of any new ban, but as the lower is the firearm, as long as existing AR's are grandfathered, you should be OK. However, there's still a chance that maybe not.......

If I may add to this with another? Im in the same boat with a lower and several 30 round mags, if the SHTF and the wrong person gets elected, and the assult weapons ban becomes permanent.....Am I out of luck or could I still finish my AR after such wickedness has passed. Kinda or a hypothetical question but I want to know if I need to buy before or if I can save more and buy a nicer upper later on.

LOL nvm deadon just kinda answered my ? Thank ya kindly sir.

I think what the OP is asking is would it be OK to buy a stripped lower now and then complete the build after (if there is) a new "ban".

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Oh, makes sense. I was in the mode of thinking that during the AWB of the 90s, there were pre-ban rifles, and then rifles that conformed to the AWB. Then once the ban expired the evil features were once again included, making it an after ban rifle or post-ban rifle, which is really just a regular rifle in the first place. :banghead:

Since nobody knows what a new ban would entail, there would be no way what would be allowed an what wouldn't.

The bad guys are going to have complete control of the federal government in under three months.
It'll take some time for a bill to get produced and passed, but then again, maybe it won't. That bailout package got passed really fast with 100-1 opposition to it.
We're at the point where the door-to-door shoot-the-dogs-and-take-the-guns could conceivably show up as pork attached to the fortieth bailout bill.
If you want it, eat a bunch of ramen and get it in the next couple months.

Having been through all this more than once since the 1964 Gun Control Act when we all thought we would lose our guns, I'm no longer scared by alarmist rhetoric. I lived through a major ban, I fought it, and I'll live to fight the next one. I'm not a quitter and I've got the Constitution on my side. Me and the Constitution don't give up so easily.

So I don't envision anything changing drastically after the election, but to answer your question:
All pre-ban lowers became HIGHLY valuable (in fact, way way way ridiculously over valued) during the 1994 ban. If you fear a future ban, your strategy today is to buy 5 or 10 stripped lowers now and keep them for the ban. Then sell all but one at hugely inflated prices and use the money to build your dream rifle.

you can sell parts once ban is made?

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It Depends on the wording of the legislation. With the '94 AWB you could sell high cap mags and pre-ban configuration rifles(and pistols), usually at a pretty good markup compared to what it would have cost if there were no ban. With a hypothetical upcoming ban, who knows.

could in the last one. but another unanswerable question regarding the future ban.

When Governor Florio set up a ban in New Jersey, it was a complete ban that required all banned guns to be either turned in, destroyed, or sent out of state as in to a relative in America someplace.

There were a few examples made of people that didn't do it if I recall (I didn't have any banned guns at the time and was a lot less active in shooting sports so exact facts slipped my interest).

So, there is always a chance that some guns could possibly be banned nationwide although I somewhat doubt it buuuuuuuuut ?????

I am thanfully out of that hell hole now.

How about we just don't let a new ban happen....:banghead:

Nobody knows what a new ban would include so it's all speculation. I think HR1022 had some wording about uppers being affected also to thwart this type of thing.
With the '94 ban, assuming you had "preban" lowers could you get uppers with the evil features (threaded muzzle, flash hider, etc)? Seems like all I saw were neutered during that evil time, but maybe that was just complete rifles and not uppers.

If there is a ban, it wasn't my fault. I already voted.

I very much agree with Ants. Panicking about a ban that doesn't even exist yet is selling a LOT of guns lately. I have bought an AR in the last few months, and encouraged my friends to do the same. Not because I am scared of what happens if Obama wins, I want to show support and solidarity so that he sees US in the event that he wins.

Even if Obama wins, congress is at its lowest approval levels since they started tracking them. New gun legislation certainly won't help that. Not all Democrats would support new gun legislation. Obama knows, the singlemost significant factor in the upheaval of congress in 1994 was the passage of the Clinton AWB. The people who are fooled right now, must stay fooled until the SECOND TERM. THEN they will try something.

Building a rifle isn't cheaper than buying one. It's usually far more expensive. A Chromoly match barrel starts at about $335. A complete upper, $630. Plus installation. Then you'd still need the rest of the rifle.

I am seriously thinking about getting one of the new S&W M&P 15s chambered in 5.45x39. You can get a 1000 round case of that for $160 vs $360 for .223/5.56 NATO. That means I can get more than double the number of cases of ammo for the same money and I plan to stock up.

Building a rifle isn't cheaper than buying one. It's usually far more expensive. A Chromoly match barrel starts at about $335. A complete upper, $630. Plus installation. Then you'd still need the rest of the rifle.

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I was thinking the same thing. I've been planning for about 9 months now, to buy several stripped lowers (4 rifle 1 pistol) for a few different projects, and I have a couple of friends who are interested in a DIY AR-15 to try to "save money". I've told them they would be better off spending $700 and buying an off-the-shelf rifle as it would be cheaper. You don't build your own AR-15 to save money on a cheap rifle, you build your own AR-15 so you don't have to spend money twice first on the standard parts, then again on the upgrades. You control the quality of the parts going into the rifle.

Simply put, its cheaper to build a custom-configured rifle with upgraded barrel, trigger, stock and handguards from parts than it would be to buy a Colt/Bushmaster/RRA/Whatever else, and start changing parts out. The only benefit to incrimental upgrades is that you start off with a functional rifle from Day 1.

I wouldn't go out and BUY BUY BUY based on the fear of a ban. I would, however, continue with what all buying you were planning on doing anyway. Now might not be a bad time to pick up some extra magazines for you handgun. During the last ban, 30rd AK47 magazines were between $8-15 (I remember picking up 10 E.German mags for $105 delivered). 30rd AR15 were $15-20. Ruger 10/22 were $100 and they might not even work. Baretta and Glock mags were outragous. Keep things in perspective.

I am seriously thinking about getting one of the new S&W M&P 15s chambered in 5.45x39. You can get a 1000 round case of that for $160 vs $360 for .223/5.56 NATO. That means I can get more than double the number of cases of ammo for the same money and I plan to stock up.

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MSRP for the upper on those things is $750. A full up rifle is starts at over $1,100. Far be it from me to presume to tell you how to spend your $$$ but since cost seems to be a factor, might I suggest an AK pattern rifle? Aimsurplus has US receiver/Polish parts AK in 5.45x39 with folding stock for $500. Get whatever you fancy, I just wanted to make sure you knew what else was out there.

Cheers

im not building to save $. im planning to get the parts osama would ban and build up the rest when i can afford it

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The "parts" they went after last time were receivers and magazines and certain features.

I would prioritize them:
1)receivers - and get evidence that you've built them up with a bayonette lug and telescopic/folding stock and 30rd mags prior to any ban date to show they were "configured" prior to the ban. You can use the same parts on all recievers just move them and take pictures/video evidence.

2)magazines - to be legal; mag's had to be made prior to the date the law went into effect. AR and AK mags were in high supply and were never affected THAT much. Maybe get some of the specialized mags for non .223 calibers that may not have hit a saturation point. Or get mags for other guns, especially popular handguns. If any ban were proposed and looked like it had a snowball's chance in hell of passing, I would be buying Glock mags like they were going out of style - as well as extra CZs for myself.

3)Evil features - folding stock, bayonette lug, forward grip, and anything else that might cause a bunny rabbit to run off.

What if they say.

YOU CANNOT OWN ASSAULT WEAPONS. PLEASE TURN THEM IN TO YOUR LOCAL LEO. IF YOU DO NOT AND IF A SUCH WEAPON IS FOUND. YOU WILL GO TO JAIL FOR 10 YEARS OR PAY A $250,000 FINE. AN ASSAULT WEAPON IS DEFINED AS ANYTHING THAT HAS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC ACTION.

Stocking up won't really do much.

Don't say they can't do it because they already did it on Machine Guns.

Why do you think to give an inch????????????????