WHY "Made in the USA"

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WHY "Made in the USA"

People buy goods for a variety of reasons. Some base their purchasing decisions on reason and some on emotion. It is reasonable to purchase a foreign made product that either equals or rivals its American produced counter-part in terms of cost/quality. It is emotionalism that drives a fellow to buy an American flag (Made in USA) rather than the same thing produced in China for far less. So long as people don't seek to impose their preference with rigidity, as some have, I don't care what you spend your money on.

I really want to start a world junk gun collection. While that is a senseless desire, considering, I'm going to do it. I'd get more "bang for my buck" buying SA or Remington than a Rhom, sure. But that's not really what I want...

Mainly because I want to buy "Made in the USA". And since I live in the USA, I'm free to buy whatever I please.

Hopefully you do realize that you're not really free, right? Free to buy what they tell you that you can buy, sure...
 
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OP's postulation of a perfect trading world might work, IF WE LIVED in a perfect world. Problem is, we aren't, and we are smack in the middle of the flux. People ARE losing jobs due to offshoring, etc. People in manufacturing working the line for 20-30 years are being let go with a thank you and slap on the back, no severance, no re-training. Happening here in Tampa right now at a large auto parts plant. It's being moved to Mexico or something. One economist called it a "Race to the Bottom"!

Every nation in turn is under pressure from the lowest cost developing nation. Used to be Mexico, but now they are under pressure from China, India, etc. Pretty soon those will be hit as well. We'll have modern electronics being made by indigenous tribes of the Amazon! Meanwhile, everyone of the job chain has been screwed, out of a nice job, and working minimum wage service jobs because there's nothing else.
 
I try to buy the highest quality I can afford in most things. It is getting difficult to buy "American" since a lot of times the American product is filled or composed of stuff manufactured in China, Korea etc. Of all the foreign manufactures, I actually buy thngs made in South American countries (excluding Venszuela) as a preference if the quality is good. I want them to succeed.

Many of the wiggits produced in China are just as expensive as the American product they displaced or put out of business. Who's winning?
 
The USA acheived greatness during a time when everything could be made on it's own soil, from raw materials to finished products. A minimum amount of taxes, fees, regulation, interfrence from buearocrats. Inventions in firearms, transportation, automobiles, communication, recording sound and movies. What America did from 1870's to 1950's could not be done again with todays government intervention and costs.
That's why it is important to support and buy Made in the USA.
 
Maybe though it is not enough to buy the made in the USA stuff if there are things made in China that are owned by US companies who also employ Americans. Its a two way street in this day and age. The nation has to adapt. The US can no longer compete with other countries in what are now considered unskilled manufacturing jobs. The US demands too high of a premium because of our standard of living to pay out for these so called unskilled jobs. Maybe the US is going to only employ a higher percentage of white collar jobs and outsource the manufacturing that happens underneath the white collars.

All this being said I own a mix of firearms from different countries and the majority of them are from the USofA. The modern firearm was invented here (autoloaders, revolvers, pumps, etc) and I embrace the fact that we still know how to do it right. Remington quality control has gone to the dogs though.
 
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It is just not that simple any more. With today's global economy. As has been mentioned before, our "American" cars are being built in Mexico and Canada while our "Japaneese" cars are being built here in the US. Both use parts made in China, Singapore, Indonesia and elsewhere.

Just to keep this thread politically related, even though my politics are solidly right-center Lireratarian, I just can't be a member of the Liberatarian Party because I just can't agree with their unrealistic isolationist foreign policy.
 
I try to buy the best thing to fit the role Im wanting to fill, regardless of where its made because:

1. When I need to use it, Im not going to care where its made, IT HAS TO WORK.

2. Does anyone actually know how many manufactures there are, like the FNHs out there who actually own several other companies, is there an American made gun out there?????

3. At the current rate out outsourcing, how long until there are no gun companies in America? What then?

And yes, if there are two items that fit the need I have, even if the American one is a bit more expensive (around 10% more than the import) Ill get the American made.
 
I don't buy a gun just because it is made in the USA. European weapons are usually better on the whole than US. My life is worth investing in something to keep myself alive. I want something that will go bang every single time I pull the trigger. My Bushmaster will do that. So will a Glock. Buying guns just because they are made in the US is STUPID. Many, many other countries but US weapons, why can't we buy other countries' weapons?
 
American job

John Smith started the day early having set his
alarm clock
(MADE IN JAPAN)
for 6am. While his coffeepot
(MADE IN CHINA)
was perking, he shaved with his electric razor
(MADE IN HONG KONG)
He put on a dress shirt
(MADE IN SRI LANKA),
designer jeans
(MADE IN SINGAPORE)
and tennis shoes
(MADE IN KOREA)
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet
(MADE IN INDIA)
he sat down with his calculator
(MADE IN MEXICO)
to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch
(MADE IN TAIWAN)
to the radio
(MADE IN INDIA)
he got in his car
(MADE IN GERMANY)
filled it with GAS
(from Saudi Arabia)
and continued his search for a good paying

AMERICAN JOB.

At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his Computer
(Made In Malaysia),
Joe decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals
(MADE IN BRAZIL)
poured himself a glass of wine
(MADE IN FRANCE)
and turned on his TV
(MADE IN INDONESIA),
and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job

in AMERICA
 
I generally prefer made in the USA! I can say most of my newer guns are USA, although I did buy a CZ Safari a couple of months ago and one of their little 22 Hornet sporters a few years ago. There were no good US made Hornet bolt actions available other than the Ruger 77/22 version and I did not like itl as for the Safari the Ruger tropical was too expensive, no new Win mod 70's and the Rem I saw was made in Croatia. I also picked up a vintage Swedish Husqvarna 46 sporter in 9.3x57, a caliber unavailable in US made rifles. I have also been playing with quality mil surps, generally staying with Swiss and Swedish Mausers. I would like to find a Krag in as good a condition as some of these, but most I have seen have been sporterized or drilled or out of my price range. Marlins are another area of interest , just having acquired a nice little cl in 32-20
 
I love my foreign made goods. They don't fall apart in a few weeks and are more affordable than socialist... sorry, "union" made goods.
 
Try to buy American whenever possible.

If we ship off all our tooling the China--Where will we be when they decide they are done with us and attack instead of trade?

As much as they try to deny it--manufacturing is the basis of all growing economies---not services---it still comes down to you have to make something that people want to buy.

The unions are a scourge that will eventually ruin this country and themselves in the process--GM is a prime example.
 
After thinking & reading more of the posts on this subject I've come to this conclusion, and saying this is not to anger anyone its just my opion in looking back on close to 70 years of watching the American people. All of us will continue to shop & buy whatever we want at whatever price without much regard as to where its made. Our government will continue giving out stimulus packages, and bailouts that will saddle our grandchildren with excesive tax depts. Bottom line is were all pawns in the big game & the winners have already been chosen, so I guess it makes no difference. Yeh I know this is a defeatist view but give me a better answer on your imported computer.
 
Rant on!

Third world countries have no industry to speak of, which is why they are third world countries to begin with. Current US trade policies encourage and subsidize the sale of foreign products at prices that are marked up 1000's of percentage points over the cost of manufacturing. That savings on manufacturing costs is not passed on to the consumer when you are talking about quality goods. Sure , you can go to the flea market and buy the latest widget made in God knows where for next to nothing. That is what you're leaving the market with, next to nothing.

I work for one of the largest companies in the US. At our location we have about 125 employees who last year produced 80 million dollars in sales and a 35% profit. That works out to $224,000 profit per employee. Many jobs have been lost at our location due to outsourcing parts and sub assemblies. And by the way we sell our product around the world. The only winners in this deal are executives that make hundreds of millions of dollars a year. The stock in our company has lost 70% of its value in the last ten years. The people who are producing these outsourced parts are just getting by on the wages they are payed. If you think consumers of our product benefit from outsourcing you are out of your rabid a** mind.

I am fortunate that i don't have to worry about outsourcing or my location closing. I owe that security to a good old timey American labor union. Our childrens jobs and the future of our country are however, on the highway to hell.

I don't have the answer to the problem, but i think if a company doesn't pay their laborers a decent wage they should make up the difference in tariffs. I was raised on cotton patch economics and we didn't need many entrepreneurs or executives or analyst or even lean manufacturing experts in the field . People whose hands fit a hoe or could pull a 9' pick sack put food on the table.

Rant off!

Johnny
 
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You know...I do my damnedest to buy American products. Out of 22 firearms, 4 are not American made. But if you wander through my home you will be hard pressed to find "Made in America" on much of anything.

You want to blame someone for all the Non-American made products in America? O K...The HIGH cost of manufacturing mostly because we have a society that wants someone else to support us...Sooo we have unions that see to it that we have exorbent medical insurance so medical will rise to the occasion. Wages and retirement bennifits that are outragous ($40.00 and hour plus bennifits for an auto worker? Did I hear that right?). And every time someone says "BOO" they go on strike. What ever happened to doing it yourself...I did...Without unions...

You want American made products. Quit forcing our manufactures to go abroad...And you people out of work and on welfare. Go out and take a job away from an illegal alien...Or...STOP whinning, whimpering and sniveling about "Made in China".
 
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we have unions that see to it that we have exorbent medical insurance
Actualy the high cost of medical insurance is due to both the American people and the health care system.
It is because everyone is expected to pay for medical care with insurance, that makes health care so expensive. People with insurance want to use that insurance. They do not pay the direct bill themselves, thier insurance does. So they use it even when unnecessary. Millions do. That means for the health insurance business to be profitable they need to raise prices significantly.
Americans use more drugs than any other nation by far. Many of them unnecessary, or "magic pills" to fix something that excercise should. They pay for that through billing thier insurance.
Do Americans have the longest life expectancy by using far more drugs than any other modern nation as a result? No.


When people use medical services they do not haggle over various charges racked up by the hospital or doctor that is billing insurance. Because insurance is not thier money, it is the insurance companies' money. So insurance gets billed like crazy.
That means they pay out even more. The cost of insurance goes even higher, and people that then purchase it want to "use it" because who wants to buy something so expensive and never use it?
So it becomes a vicious cycle. More use, including a lot of unnecessary use results in higher rates for everyone. Higher rates means people with it don't want to waste it by not using it if they have it.
Since the health care system has built up making a living off that system they encourage people to seek even more medical care, more frequently.

So ironicly the private health care system is really more socialist than most realize, because the cost of insurance is relative to how often the population uses thier insurance. The more other people use thier insurance, even for things they wouldn't waste thier own money on, the higher the rates are for everyone. So everyone is encouraged to spend other peoples' money more to get a larger piece of the benefits pie they pay for.
Since it is not a normal supply and demand market, with prices marketed to the consumer the costs reflect that. The services are marketed to the consumer, and the prices are whatever the seller can get away with billing insurance. Insurance rather than shopping smarter like individuals would negotiates contracts, health plans, and raises rates while the bottom level costs remain similar.
The whole system results in being far less affordable to employers, and increases the cost per employee significantly.

So you see it once again has a lot to do with selfish, and even lazy (seek the magic pill rather than work for results) behavior.
 
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The problem with healthcare is it's very expensive thats just the way it is. In the old days medical equipment was rare there were only x-rays, ekg. in the past 20yrs there are CT, MRI, scintography, endoscopes(uses fiber optics and now digital) digital x-rays. these are all very expensive to make, train personel how to use and buy and maintain. Further they are only devolped with scientists who do nothing else and they have an upkeep of their own for the RD companies.

Now add in our lawsuit appy society which makes Drs order plenty of tests to cover their butts. and the drug testing standards that americans demand and healthcare is astronomical. That being said it's at the greatest it's ever been as far as bang for your buck. people with previsouly terminal conditions are living way longer or are cured.

Another factor, is that americans want everything and unfortunatley if you're a plumber you're not gonna get everything yet unions demand that type of pay/benifits. Don't get me wrong unions were important and still are but it's swung too much the other way and needs to become more center.
 
Interesting...got me thinking about mine. I only own one foreign pistol, a G19. The rest are Kahr, Kimber, Kel-Tec, Ruger, Seecamp, Walther (Interarms, made in Alexandria, VA), and even...shudder...an old Jennings .22. Didn't plan it that way...just happened.
 
earlthegoat12 said:
Why do our guns have to made in the USA?

Import restrictions from the 1968 Gun Control Act, mostly.

Foreign guns have to meet a "sporting purposes" restriction. This generally means they have less desirable features (or more undesirable features), or have the added cost of having those parts removed/replaced/upgraded after import. The parts used to pass import restriction may not be of particularly high quality (it being understood they will be replaced by the end user). Buyers who don't replace them get an impression of poor workmanship.
 
Some of your American made guns, aren't completely American made, either. I got a Keltec P11 many years ago, big American flag on the box, "100% American Made!"...and the magazing was stamped MecGar...
 
I pay taxes to the US government, interest on a mortgage to a US bank, and get my utilities from an assortment of US companies.

The *tiny* amount of money that may go to a foreign firm for my firearms is not worth my time worrying about.
 
It is harder to ban American Made... So if they (american makers) are driven out of business by outsourced overseas makers and then those makers are banned (as congress does have the power to do that) then we are SOL.
 
If the gobernment keeps interfering with capitalism, the firearm industry will end up like the automotive industry.

I try my best to buy American to support my American countrymen.
 
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