Lovevixen555
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For instance people argueing over which is better or enough cartridge for Elk in America the 30-06,270,25-06,308Win,6.5X55 etc........... First shot placement is king when hunting anything larger then a White Tail Deer. Mind you shot placement is always critical but becomes more so as the size of the animal increase's. I would argue that with today's insanely well designed controlled expansion bullets that any of the above are more then enough poisin to kill an Elk! Do not get me wrong if I was talking to the wife I would argue that I needed this caliper for this critter and this one for this critter but truth be told any of the above will do for all but the most Dangerious Kodiac Grizzly Bear's in Kodiac Alaska. I have droped Elk,Black Bear,Deer and just about everything else with a 7.62X51 or .308 Win. The 6.5X55 has taken more Elk in Europe then all the Elk harvesting in the USA with any single cartridge let alone the Uber Magnum's!!! Heck the lowly 6.5X55 with monlithic solids was used to brain thousands of Elaphants and other dangerious game in Africa. I can gurantee that a 25-06 with a Barns X-Bullet will kill an Elk as dead as it needs to be.
Most poacher's in my area use Rugger 10/22's with monster spot light's attached and Chevy Blazer to drive around Farmer's fields and shoot their deer. Most bear that are shot in the woods are usualy shot dureing Firearm season for Deer with a Slug from a 12 guage. The 30-30 is a deer harvesting legend from cost to cost. The 45-70 is gaining ground in Africa in Lever Actions for fast handleing dangerious hunt back-up guns for the guides.
Another thing I hate is that mindless recomendationson some sights over and over and over again for Remington 700 or Model 7! It is especialy poor taste when someone is talking about their new $329 or less Marlin XL7 that they bought for their kid as their first rifle. What type of idiot tells someone to go buy a Model-7 in 243 for their daughter when they have already bought her a Marlin XL7 in 25-06 and they are loveing it! I will admit I am a bit biased as I absolutely hate Reminton 700's and I also hate the 870 Shotgun. Now if I say an insanely good deal on one I would not pass it up but I would not ever pick it over any other choice from a decent manufacture. I find that for the most part Remington's are grossly over rated when it comes to their out of the box accuracy when talking about their hunting models and I do not think their fit and finish is even close to their current priceing. Same thing for Weatherby Rifles. My Browning's,Winchest Classics,Rugger's and Mauser's have always out shot any rifle they have come up against costing much much more. I am a good shot and was trained at Ft. Benning as a Sniper but I am not so much better then those I shoot with to warrant my besting them it trully is a matter of well built rifles with good factory barrels. While Remington actions and any tubular action for that matter has an edge when it comes to low cost accurizeing and the great ease of machine set up that is about all they have that other actions do not. Almost all modern actions have fast lock times even the modern CZ's which are a lot like a Mauser action have enhanced lock time. I get really tired of everyone thinking that a Remington factory hunting rifle is any more inheirantly accuracte out of the box then say a much cheaper Savage or cheaper still Marlin XL7.
Remington's real claim to fame is two fold. First early bench rest shooters found that it was the easiest to accurize since it is a a round tube. It was also easy to sleeve these actions to make them stiffer. Then in Modern time post Vietnam they got large contracts with the Marines and the Army for Sniper rifles. Put these together with the back woods gun smith and a redneck's limited access to information and a legend was born built partly on truth and partly on myth. I do not hate Remington I just hate hype that is not based in fact. Today you do not see reminton actions inthe winner circle at bench rest competition it is all Neskia,Stolle and other custom made actions. All of your top tactical rifles that are built on Remington actions wear someone elses barrel since any precission shooter will tell you Remington's factory barrels are junk not only are they rough as can be they do not last long before they start to wear out if they are shot on a regular basis.
Their was a time when Remington was the only game in town for cheap build up from OEM hunting rifle to great shooter but today you can use almost any companies action especialy if it is tubular. So Savage,Remington,Marlin XL7,Winchest push-feed actions can all be easily accurized cheaply and quickly and all of your top barrel manufactures will sell you a barrel.Stock's are widely available for just about any action you can name that is available new or used. So why pay a king ransom for something that is no better at it's job then many of it's competitor's? The name alone is not worth the extra money. If you shop around you can get some great deals on some well engineered rifles. I can get a brand new heavy varmint barreled Tikka for less then a varmint barreled Remington and trust me when I say the Tikka is a better rifle. Look how much more expensive Savages are now then just a few year's ago. They used to be considered the poor man's rifle but since so many people have discovered that they are more accurate then most Remington's and cost less too the price has gone up.
If you wanted a rifle you can shoot now and rebarrel latter for cheap get a Marlin XL7. First it will not be long until barrel makers start offering barrels for this too at a killer price since it is the same set-up as a Savage. This means you can get a cheap rifle for the action alone and buy a premium barrel and a head space guage and have a nice custom barreled tactical rifle for less then $600. Since it comes with a base fromthe factory all you need to do is get a scope and a box of shells to go with your $329 or less rifle. In a year or two when premium barrel companies are offering screw on ready to go already blued barrels in other chamberings based ont he 30-06 case you can buy one for probably around $250 or less and be ready to rock and roll. Enlarge the stock to fit the barrel or buy a stock from Richards Microfit or Fajen and go shooting!
I am thinking about getting one this week or next week and then rebarreling it to 6.5X06 or 6.5X284. Remove those pressure pads at the front of the stock, enlarge the barrel channel and devcon the action in place. Next stop 1000 yard shooting contest's!!LOL
I know I am ranting. I just get tired of the brocken record people that have been saying the same thing for 15 years or more now!!! Get a Rem 700 or Model 7 in XXXX.......
Most poacher's in my area use Rugger 10/22's with monster spot light's attached and Chevy Blazer to drive around Farmer's fields and shoot their deer. Most bear that are shot in the woods are usualy shot dureing Firearm season for Deer with a Slug from a 12 guage. The 30-30 is a deer harvesting legend from cost to cost. The 45-70 is gaining ground in Africa in Lever Actions for fast handleing dangerious hunt back-up guns for the guides.
Another thing I hate is that mindless recomendationson some sights over and over and over again for Remington 700 or Model 7! It is especialy poor taste when someone is talking about their new $329 or less Marlin XL7 that they bought for their kid as their first rifle. What type of idiot tells someone to go buy a Model-7 in 243 for their daughter when they have already bought her a Marlin XL7 in 25-06 and they are loveing it! I will admit I am a bit biased as I absolutely hate Reminton 700's and I also hate the 870 Shotgun. Now if I say an insanely good deal on one I would not pass it up but I would not ever pick it over any other choice from a decent manufacture. I find that for the most part Remington's are grossly over rated when it comes to their out of the box accuracy when talking about their hunting models and I do not think their fit and finish is even close to their current priceing. Same thing for Weatherby Rifles. My Browning's,Winchest Classics,Rugger's and Mauser's have always out shot any rifle they have come up against costing much much more. I am a good shot and was trained at Ft. Benning as a Sniper but I am not so much better then those I shoot with to warrant my besting them it trully is a matter of well built rifles with good factory barrels. While Remington actions and any tubular action for that matter has an edge when it comes to low cost accurizeing and the great ease of machine set up that is about all they have that other actions do not. Almost all modern actions have fast lock times even the modern CZ's which are a lot like a Mauser action have enhanced lock time. I get really tired of everyone thinking that a Remington factory hunting rifle is any more inheirantly accuracte out of the box then say a much cheaper Savage or cheaper still Marlin XL7.
Remington's real claim to fame is two fold. First early bench rest shooters found that it was the easiest to accurize since it is a a round tube. It was also easy to sleeve these actions to make them stiffer. Then in Modern time post Vietnam they got large contracts with the Marines and the Army for Sniper rifles. Put these together with the back woods gun smith and a redneck's limited access to information and a legend was born built partly on truth and partly on myth. I do not hate Remington I just hate hype that is not based in fact. Today you do not see reminton actions inthe winner circle at bench rest competition it is all Neskia,Stolle and other custom made actions. All of your top tactical rifles that are built on Remington actions wear someone elses barrel since any precission shooter will tell you Remington's factory barrels are junk not only are they rough as can be they do not last long before they start to wear out if they are shot on a regular basis.
Their was a time when Remington was the only game in town for cheap build up from OEM hunting rifle to great shooter but today you can use almost any companies action especialy if it is tubular. So Savage,Remington,Marlin XL7,Winchest push-feed actions can all be easily accurized cheaply and quickly and all of your top barrel manufactures will sell you a barrel.Stock's are widely available for just about any action you can name that is available new or used. So why pay a king ransom for something that is no better at it's job then many of it's competitor's? The name alone is not worth the extra money. If you shop around you can get some great deals on some well engineered rifles. I can get a brand new heavy varmint barreled Tikka for less then a varmint barreled Remington and trust me when I say the Tikka is a better rifle. Look how much more expensive Savages are now then just a few year's ago. They used to be considered the poor man's rifle but since so many people have discovered that they are more accurate then most Remington's and cost less too the price has gone up.
If you wanted a rifle you can shoot now and rebarrel latter for cheap get a Marlin XL7. First it will not be long until barrel makers start offering barrels for this too at a killer price since it is the same set-up as a Savage. This means you can get a cheap rifle for the action alone and buy a premium barrel and a head space guage and have a nice custom barreled tactical rifle for less then $600. Since it comes with a base fromthe factory all you need to do is get a scope and a box of shells to go with your $329 or less rifle. In a year or two when premium barrel companies are offering screw on ready to go already blued barrels in other chamberings based ont he 30-06 case you can buy one for probably around $250 or less and be ready to rock and roll. Enlarge the stock to fit the barrel or buy a stock from Richards Microfit or Fajen and go shooting!
I am thinking about getting one this week or next week and then rebarreling it to 6.5X06 or 6.5X284. Remove those pressure pads at the front of the stock, enlarge the barrel channel and devcon the action in place. Next stop 1000 yard shooting contest's!!LOL
I know I am ranting. I just get tired of the brocken record people that have been saying the same thing for 15 years or more now!!! Get a Rem 700 or Model 7 in XXXX.......
