Evolution of Combative Anatomy

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It has been just over a year since I coined the term Combative Anatomy, the study of incapacitating your attacker during a violent attack. Since that time I have done more research on the subject and have some new thoughts.

First, let’s define incapacitation. For our purposes it means that the attacker is physically unable to continue to attack. Since the majority of initial defenses are likely to be open handed even against weapons, we cannot count on things like pain compliance because of tolerance or desensitization related to drugs or alcohol. Defenses need to focus on the mechanism of attacks and not the method i.e., destroying the elbow of the arm that holds the knife instead of trying to disarm the knife.

Regardless of whether you are defending yourself with your hands, stick, gun, or firearms there are only two ways you can cause trauma to your attacker, and they are cutting and crushing. You either penetrate the skin or you don’t. The hierarchy of incapacitation is as follows-

Central nervous system
Skeletal system
Muscular system
Circulatory System

It is interesting to note that although trauma to the circulatory system is most likely to prove fatal it may actually be the slowest in terms on the immediacy in which it causes physical incapacitation that stops your attacker. With the exception of choking, targeting of the circulatory system is also impossible with the personal or impact weapons.

Instead of having a specific game plan or secret move, I feel it is more effective to target areas of the body that are most vulnerable to open hand attacks that are likely to be exposed during an altercation. These targets have been narrowed down to-

Head- responsible for decision-making
Elbow- the lynch pin of all open hand attack and using weapons
Knee- responsible for locomotion, base and balance

The way to combat the failure of specific targeting is redundancy. Since an attack with the open hand or a contact distance weapon would expose all three primary targets, all should be attacked if possible. For example, if someone were to attack you with a tire iron and you were able to move to the outside you would- smash the weapon side elbow with your elbow or palm, smash your knee into the side of theirs and then yank them back causing their head to strike a wall or vehicle. This of course is an example in open hand force vs deadly force. A slap to the side of the head is also an effective optional technique. Disruption of the central nervous system should be considered the primary target even if it is not attacked first.

This doctrine allows for a measured open hand response that because of its effectiveness may prevent the need to escalate to a mechanical or deadly force option. As a side note, practicing these techniques even in a controlled environment is likely to result in hyper extended knees and elbow. Headgear should also be worn. Communication with your training partner is the key.

Now a few words on Combative Anatomy as it relates to the use of an edged weapon for self-defense. Again it seems that our goal needs to be defined as stopping our attacker as fast as possible, not killing them eventually. The debate over stab vs cut continues. Since attacking the central nervous system with an edged weapon is improbable we will discuss the most effective way to attack the circulatory system. Most of those knowledgeable and trained in edged weapons prefer to stab and believe they will be able to do so even when attacked. Since I believe that the vast majority of people reading this are likely to never use an edged weapon offensively, I can only theorize that if they do have to use one it will be in response to being attacked.

My research has shown that when people are on the defense and moving to the rear they are more likely to slash. The people that I have observed have ranged from novices to those who would define themselves as seasoned knifers. Either way they responded the same way. This is telling since it has been my experience that many folks who carry a knife for self defense have little to no training and consider their knife a last ditch weapon. What I teach has to be as effective for those who attend a weekend seminar as it is for those who pursue edged weapons as a martial art. For this reason I don’t feel comfortable teaching stabbing as a primary counter attack.

For those of you who don’t hunt, try watching a few hunting shows. You can see hunters shooting white tail dear with shotguns, rifles, and bows. I don’t think that anyone would argue that a knife would cause more damage than any of these other weapons. Their shots usually target the circulatory system. Most of the time the animal recoils in shock before bolting off to die a distance away. How much damage could a human do in that time? This overwhelming trauma to the thoracic cavity results in an adrenaline dump and blood pumping into the legs allowing the animal to run. They are for a few seconds able to run faster on their extremities than they ever have before. Why don’t they target the head and the central nervous system or the skeletal system? One is for the trophy and one is sportsmanship. It is more important to kill them eventually than to stop them immediately. The exact opposite of what we need to do when defending ourselves against human predators.

These theories on Combative Anatomy continue to reinforce my belief that Inverted Edge Tactics offer the best defensive edged weapon skills.

First of all the use of the inverted edge prevents people from swinging wildly outside the silhouette of their attacker which increases economy of motion, while at the same time targets by default the inherent weaknesses of the body.

The most important feature of IET is that it takes advantage of the fact that arteries and nerves run together along the contours of the muscle like a wiring harness. As with the open hand this combats the likeliness of failure with redundancy. The more systems attacked the better the chance of physiological failure.

Careful consideration needs to be made in reference to how humans respond during stress, the positions we are likely to find ourselves in, and the most effective way to blend those things to formulate repeatable tactics to stop attacks as fast as possible.
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That was an interesting read, but go into more detail! It seems like you prepared to go into a lot more points but rushed forward without getting started.

Also you have to consider that with adrenaline pumping and all that targeting the knee or elbow would be extremely difficult, especially with a firearm and this is a gun forum
 
It is a gun forum but people carry other things like kubatons and knives.

I am sorry if the deer metaphor, I was only talking about the traumatic effects against the circulatory system. What was posted was more in reference to having to do something open handed first to deploy a pistol during a spontaneous attack.

One thing that I have seen covered to death is the gun vs knife. Even if you do get a your gun out and empty a magazine into the chest of your attacker it may not prevent you from getting cut or stabbed before he dies. Physical control of a contact distance weapon is likely to require physical contact. Putting rounds on target needs to be coupled with getting off line, hopefully to his non reaction side and may require open hand skills with a pistol in your hand. Too often during force on force people fixate on the weapon and forget they can strike, wrap and redirect with the other hand.

What specifically would you like me to expand on? My area of expertise is open hand, stick knife and pistol within seven yards. I don't give one preference over the other as far as training time goes. Tools and tactics need to be like sharks teeth, when one fails there is another one right behind it to keep biting.
 
It's a lot harder to hit the elbow accurately than it is to hit COM though..
 
Yes it is, but I believe you are missing mercop's point. He is not talking about shooting a bad guy in the elbow.

Within his distance, at or under 7 yards, you might not be able to draw before the BG is on you. Injuring the attackers elbow can allow you to create space and a couple extra seconds to complete your draw.

This is a gun forum but at that distance a gun might not be your best first option.
 
That is definitely too high of a price! They are good guns. My father had one and I shot it a number of times. I wouldn't mind adding one to my collection at some point. Built well as all sigs are, not as light as some of the new pocket guns but that's probably a good thing in this case.
 
It often seems that most everyone who carries a gun somehow imagines that they will never have to use it at less than 7 yards.

That just isn't so in real life.

Gunfights can and do begin at a range of zero yards. This is reality- unpleasant, yes, but we may not be allowed to define the parameters of our next gunfight just because we are the good guys. The best thing I can think of to do is to prepare for those fights which start at contact distance- due to ambush, surprise, or simply because, as Southnarc puts it, "your awareness fails."

Those gunfights which start with contact must EVOLVE into gunfights- because given the advantage of surprise, your attacker(s) are going to have the upper hand to begin with. Those gunfights are by definition going to he hand to hand at first. If attacked at contact distance we must first and foremost secure our concealed firearm(s) from the attacker's grasp- because chances are the attacker will discover the weapon(s) upon contact and realize the danger they present. The attacker's first instinct will be to secure our weapon and turn it against us.

People who carry concealed firearms MUST have retention techniques in their battery of skills. Otherwise reality may intrude in a very unpleasant fashion.

After securing our weapon from access by an assailant, we must be able to open up opportunities at contact distance sufficiently to secure our weapon and bring it into play at contact distance- gunfighting at zero yards, in other words. This is very difficult to do without training and practice- it's easy to get part of your own anatomy in front of your own muzzle in the hurlyburly of a life and death struggle at contact distance. If you are satisfied to go your way in life, carring a gun without being prepared to effectively secure it, access it and use it effectively at contact distance, you're much more of an optimist than I am.

Gunfights CAN and DO begin under these circumstances- and since none of us can plan our own emergencies, it only makes sense to train and prepare for the worst case scenario. In my book, this is it. Your training must begin at contact distances if you are to be truly prepared, IMHO.

Failing to plan and prepare is preparing to fail. If the worst case scenario happens to you, will you be prepared?

Thanks for opening the discussion, mercop. It's vital, IMHO.

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Lee, great comments.

It seems that when you start discussing having to deploy and use your pistol within seven yards people have the same response as if they were picking out their cemetery plot. In their mind they know that they need to consider both things but as fast as the subject is brought up they change it to something that makes them feel better.

The wall at the National Law Enforcement Memorial and the flag draped caskets at Dover AFB are full of names and bodies of people who probably never envisioned that things would turn out the way they did.

For many people training with the pistol within seven yards is just two dicey and humbling so they avoid it. The funny thing is that I feel that these counterattack and deployment skills are the most important skill set and can be trained almost anywhere without the need to fire a live round.

We should concern ourselves with the business of stopping our attacker instead of what tool we do it with.
 
Ooh, that last line nears blasphemy for so many in the firearms community.

I completely agree, by the way.
 
Good info...personally;in my experience the effective ( but not always acceptable) use of a sharp implement for me usually involved "stab&drag" type attacks...takes speed and a base level of strength ( I am a bit less refined),but in th esetting I needed it in ;it was effecive and fast.
Some cutting/slashing attacks to the limbs/big muscle groups were als fast,both for the blood loss and the "take away his weapons" mode-brachial region,femoral,stabbing the glute/hamstrings....these were more along the lines of "last ditch/total commitment" kind of things to do.Just my two cents.
 
I took an ECQC class over a long weekend. It was eye opening. Prior to the class I didn't think about retention that much. After the class, you are able to see where your weaknesses are. I quickly realized that it is in this space that the incident is most likely to occur. I won't be using any kydex holster for sure. My jiu jitsu works and was invaluable. This class actually made me concentrate on my empty hand skills more intensely than before. There are an awful lot of situations that you can't shoot-especially for civilians. Bottom line is you just can't get properly trained reading the internet, you have to get out there. I think there is a place for combative anatomy. Take for instance a strong blow to the solar plexus-concept is to create spasm in the diaphragm which makes one unable to take a coordinated breath momentarily. We have all had the wind knocked out of us. A strong shovel hook or kick to the liver are pretty good fight stoppers as well. Train hard.
 
I wish Lee Lapin would not read my mind.:D Seriously, I engaged in a discussion similar to this one several years ago with a gentleman who seemed to believe a firearm would repell an attacker by its very existence. I politely mentioned that at mugging range an armed individual would need to pull his gun for it to work effectively. I went on to discuss some simple fighting techniques that might help an armed citizen gain access to his weapon, but it was a wasted effort. That gentleman seemed adamently convinced that unarmed fighting skills were a waste of time. This thread brought that sad event back to my mind.


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For me the scariest time during a pistol course is when we first start drawing from concealment. The first part of markmanship fundamentals is the master grip. As soon as you put pressure on some folks they get all assed up and loose their composure fumbling over and over. This is without someone else in physical contact with you.
 
Within his distance, at or under 7 yards, you might not be able to draw before the BG is on you. Injuring the attackers elbow can allow you to create space and a couple extra seconds to complete your draw.

How do you injure his elbow? Try to punch it? Put him in an armbar? If I have my gun I'm not going to try to shoot his elbow or try to to punch him in the elbow and hope it's strong and accurate enough to disable him. I think it makes the most sense to just shoot COM.
 
The strike doesn't have to be powerful enough to break his elbow. but if you follow up that strike with a punch or a kick, you might be able jump back and able to draw..
 
That does not sound reasonable. A moderate strike to the elbow will not impair function at all or reduce his capacity to harm you. He also has a 2nd arm. Nobody teaches you to strike at an elbow in any art. It's hard to hit and hard to damage since it's free hanging. I am sorry, I do know a good bit about anatomy and it is part of my field of major right now. I cannot see a strike to the elbow as a good way to disable or gain an advantage in that kind of situation.
 
Nobody teaches you to strike at an elbow in any art.

what?!?

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none of them?

Wow you must know a lot!!!

It's a lot harder to hit the elbow accurately than it is to hit COM though..

ok ok I 'm getting a better picture now. . . .
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It has been just over a year since I coined the term Combative Anatomy, the study of incapacitating your attacker during a violent attack.

what a novel idea, brilliant!




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I think it makes the most sense to just shoot COM.

Really?.....

You must be quite fast. Have you ever heard of the Tueller Drill?

Are you aware that someone can close the distance of 21 feet very quickly?

I know there is no way I could react,draw, fire, and stop someone within 21 feet without them coming into contact with me.And I have had an intrest in sidearms for self-defense for 31 years.


They just might have one or two holes in them,but they are not going to instantly vaporise when shot.

Just like a sidearm is there to fight your way to a longarm; You just might need your head,hands,and feet to fight your way to your sidearm.
 
Nobody teaches you to strike at an elbow in any art
That's not true, but it usually involves wrestling the opponent to where you can break their arm with a strike, and would be hard to do on a resisting opponent.


Put him in an armbar?

This thread focuses on an attacker with a knife, right? I think getting an attacker with a knife in to an armbar is going to get you cut.
 
Against a knife-wielding opponent, you have to gain control of the attacker's wrist. From there, you can do any number of things. On the outside, you can snap his arm at the elbow. On the inside, you can use a devastating elbow strike to the face.

I believe firmly in a "mobile defense" strategy. Whether it be with a knife, a gun, or unarmed, you need to keep moving, and your movements need to be fluid and precise. Simply maintaining the momentum of movement will keep your opponent off balance and allow you to inflict heavy damage if you can exploit even the tiniest weakness.
 
It is about recognizing your options, even with your eyes closed you will know from what you feel where your opponents head, elbows and knees are. I call this body mapping.

The elbow is extremely easy to injure as is the knee. During practice you find out fast just how easy. Of course I would not advise trying to punch and elbow. However once you are on the outside you can smash with your palm or arm as you stabilize it with your other hand. It is even easier just to stretch by using your chest. I realize this is hard to visualize. I will try to shoot some video this week.

As a cop I was in plenty of situations were several officers were striking someone with little effect. That leads me to believe that one person striking someone may not have a big effect. What I found was that if you are holding onto someone it will likely to be their head, torso, arm or leg and that if you have it in your hands you can destroy it.
 
It is not. The knee is easier to injure. The ACL and medial collateral ligaments, and the meniscus are commonly injured in sports with a blow to the lateral side of the knee. The elbow has no corresponding ligaments. The elbow is not a good target whatsoever. If you can armbar the guy or so much larger/more powerful that you can physically hold down the guy to attack his elbow, I think you may be able to finish the fight without ever needing to use your gun anyways
 
I took a class about three weeks ago and showed one of the guys I was working with what I meant about the elbow. He got it, and my elbow still hurts a little. It don't take much.
 
It might hurt, but it won't disable. I can assure you of it. There's two arms, and the elbow is not nearly as vulnerable as you might think, the structure is robust. You can cause damage by hyperextending it enough, with sufficient mechanical leverage. Or holding it down and striking. But if you are so much larger and stronger that you could hold your attacker down, you might not need a gun for this in the first place. There's not vulnerable ligaments in the elbow, the anatomy is strong, it's just a simple synovial joint.
 
I politely disagree but at any rate don't expect things to go as planed. For this reason as stated attacking the head, elbows and knees is a way to combat failure with redundancy.
 
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