Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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OK, it is nearly universally accepted that the "cheaper" SxSs and O/Us (mostly Turkish made) just will not cut the mustard in the long run - "you get what you pay for - they're not really a bargain - they'll invariably break under hard use / thousands of rounds (skeet, trap, clays) - they can't possibly balance/shoot/pattern/"ergo" as well as "good" ones (all over $1,500)" - yada, yada. While I cannot refute this, I'm wondering WHY this is, since I am looking at my CZ/Huglu gun and it's quite smooth and balances well for me (it seems), and it's extremely aesthetic as well: that that leaves breakage - what specifically is likely gonna break and why? Is it because the parts aren't forged/milled/heat-treated, or what? These CZs are not in the $400-$700 range, like the lowest end guns (Stoeger, Yildiz, Baikal/Spartan, etc.) - rather, they typically retail in the $700-$1,100 range, depending on model, so that makes me think that it's possible or conceivable they could be *as good as* a higher priced Beretta, Browning, Winchester, Benelli, Franchi, S&W, Ruger, SKB, Ithaca, etc., made in Japan, USA, or elsewhere.
So my question becomes, How much of this idea, really, (with respect to the CZ/Huglu guns only), that you've gotta pay $1,500-$2,000 for a double to get a good one - no question, end of story - is attributable to tradition/inertia/ and yes, snobbery, and how much is true 'get what you pay for'? My understanding is that the Turkish firms (Huglu specifically) uses the most modern CAD/CAM systems available, on the finest manufacturing machinery. Why is it that they can't simply use their lower labor costs to put out an equal product, at lower price? What's stopping them, and why haven't they done it? Obviously, if you read between the lines, I'm highly skeptical about the *conventional wisdom* here. Or is the jury just still out? Is it simply the case that we don't really yet know how the CZs will hold up to thousands upon thousands of rounds, because nobody has yet done it and documented in a way that can be believed when reported?
So, your answer comes down to four choices. Please specifically pick one of these four as your answer, before explaining your answer:
1. It's tradition/inertia/snobbery. The CZ is every bit as good as a Japanese or American-made gun. Don't believe the hype.
2. No, it's not hype. The CZ cannot compare in longevity/overall quality to the Japanese/American guns. You definitely get a lot more for your extra $1,000.
3. The jury is still out - we just don't know yet.
4. I personally have no clue.
Please start your answer with "1" through "4" - thanks!
Recent/concurrent thread as background/supporting material:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=411066
So my question becomes, How much of this idea, really, (with respect to the CZ/Huglu guns only), that you've gotta pay $1,500-$2,000 for a double to get a good one - no question, end of story - is attributable to tradition/inertia/ and yes, snobbery, and how much is true 'get what you pay for'? My understanding is that the Turkish firms (Huglu specifically) uses the most modern CAD/CAM systems available, on the finest manufacturing machinery. Why is it that they can't simply use their lower labor costs to put out an equal product, at lower price? What's stopping them, and why haven't they done it? Obviously, if you read between the lines, I'm highly skeptical about the *conventional wisdom* here. Or is the jury just still out? Is it simply the case that we don't really yet know how the CZs will hold up to thousands upon thousands of rounds, because nobody has yet done it and documented in a way that can be believed when reported?
So, your answer comes down to four choices. Please specifically pick one of these four as your answer, before explaining your answer:
1. It's tradition/inertia/snobbery. The CZ is every bit as good as a Japanese or American-made gun. Don't believe the hype.
2. No, it's not hype. The CZ cannot compare in longevity/overall quality to the Japanese/American guns. You definitely get a lot more for your extra $1,000.
3. The jury is still out - we just don't know yet.
4. I personally have no clue.
Please start your answer with "1" through "4" - thanks!
Recent/concurrent thread as background/supporting material:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=411066