Brits: Welcome to America --now go straight to jail

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The whole episode took about a half hour and we made our flight.
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This is the most amazing part of your story. Of course, in the USA it would
have taken a bit longer because of bending over, latex gloves, and other
fondling.

Thats my biggest beef with laws that punish possession.
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Bingo. And that's my biggest problem with how "mens rea" has been grossly
distorted in this country over the past 4 generations. This has been especially
true with anything firearm related.

If you have an unregistered suppressor/silencer, you must be an assassin.
If you have an unregistered machine gun, you must be a danger to civil order.
If you have >X0 round capacity mag, you must be preparing for mass murder.
If you have a bullet with a core of something other than lead, you must be a cop killer.

The next round of mental midgetry will apply to semi-auto rifles, >5 rd mags,
and any kind of bullet capable of piercing a wet paper bag.

I understand that the attitude of "parens patriae" comes into play with judges,
lawyers, and the State in general, but I find it interesting how they will push
PP all the way to the hilt on public order & safety when it comes to the 2nd
Amendment, yet none have been anywhere to be seen when it came to the
financial looting of this entire country over the past year.

Which was the greater danger to public order and national economic security?
Hmm?
 
Thats my biggest beef with laws that punish possession. If I have an anti-tank rifle in my possession who is that harming. If I use it to shoot someones car then throw me in jail.
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This is one of my biggest qualms with radical libertarian thought- it totally disregards the definition of a crime. Even though we have crime victims, the entire purpose of the criminal justice system is to punish people for what they have done to society, or the people as a whole. That is why in most states, the state's attorney is representing the people, and cases are titled to reflect that-- The people of the state of ________v. (accused offender). Criminal preceedings are intended to bring justice to society, even though (in crimes where there is a definite victim) we punish people on the pretense of the harm they did to a particular person. The civil court system is intended to bring justice for the actions against the individual victim- hence why its critics dismiss it as a form of state sanctioned retribution.
 
"And after a judge ordered them released on bond, immigration officials stepped in with an order to keep them locked up, superceding the judge."

A judge's ruling to release someone on bond pending criminal proceedings has nothing to do with ICE's decision to administrative detain someone pending removal proceedings. There is no, and can be no, supercession; criminal vs. administrative law.

And... As usual, where one incorrect characterization by the media may be found, others often times and usually may be found.
 
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Water bottles...

"...are considered firearm silencers and fall under the NFA, because it is possible for them to reduce the report of some gunshot, even if just for 1 shot- and they may be attached to a firearm. If they did even 5 minutes of research, they would have known that."

lol
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Water bottles aren't designed to silence a weapon, and unless they're modified to fit and stay in place somehow - they really wouldn't do much good.

Now - if you take that water bottle, and use it to build something you could attach to the end of your gun - a case could, and probably would be made that you've made an illegal silencer. In such a case - the law would be correct, as you went out of your way to take an average every day product and turn it into something it was not designed to be.
 

the "LAW" always seems to be a dictatorship of regulations, when you look at how it is handled in the US.
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Law should be about the regulations, but the idea is the Judge or Jury will recognize mitigating circumstances, and take a larger view, and temper blind obediance of the rules with wisdom to arrive at Justice.
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The problem I have is that by the time a working class joe has his day in court, the legal expenses and all the negativity of being accused or arrested in the first place, will have cost him his house, his car and his job.

I do know that cops and district attorneys usually exercise some discretion on who deserves arrest or prosecution, or who deserves a warning and mercy.

It is obvious to me that that the two Brit tourists thought that if Air Rifle Noise Dampeners were legal in UK they ought to be legal in USA with "laxer" gun laws. They should have been allowed to mail the offending parts back to their home address, and sent on their way with a Sorry, but that's the law.

The issues of "justification of necessity" and "jury nullification" were explained to me like this: the intent of the law is supposed to be justice and when blind obedience to the letter of the law violates the principle of justice, it is the law, not justice, that should bend.

Cops decide who to arrest and who not to, and prosecutors decide who to charge and who not to, every day, exercising discretion in keeping the peace and pursuing justice. It is the martinets who follow the letter of the law to absurdity, especially in cases like this, that undermine respect for law and order.
 
The Law is the Law, my butt. The Law is what ever any enforcer wants it to be, and the ATF is just about ready to tell us a shoe lace is a machine gun, and a feather pillow is a silencer.

And for those who think the system is on board it isn't. It too will delay on purpose a summons to the day you first recieve it, the hearing it mentioned happening the day before. I had that happen twice.

Once maybe it was a error, but not twice.

With newer law made by fools what good is 'The LAW' in my best Judge Dred voice.

We have come to where a fool can open a match book and the next is is a lawyer.

What we need is a little common sence and to hell with the LAW!
 
What is the problem again? Silencer/suppressor is any device that reduces the DB of a shot.

Doesnt matter if its for an airgun or a 155mm tank turret........

Besides, these were functional silencers. Yep, jail sounds about right. Ignorance is not an excise.
 
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