Bank Robbery - What would you do?

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If only money is being taken, I will do nothing except try to observe and report. My personal choke point is if the robber(s) exhibit wanton violence (unfortunately, this may result in someone already being injured or killed), start searching people, want to herd people into a back room, or tie people up. Any of these are indications they plan to kill you, at which point you have nothing to lose anyway.
 
I've been robbed before when at work (Video Update manager on Thanksgiving night 1997, about 2345hrs)
Half way through the robbery the guy with the gun pulled the slide back (for intimidation effect) and I automatically was expecting to hear something hit the floor, it just didn't sound right. I turned around & looked at the gun & didn't see a floor plate at the bottom of the grip. Then I looked the guy in the eye, he'd gotten much more nervous at this point since I think he knew that I knew the gun wasn't loaded. "I think you better get outta here."
I was so close to jumping the counter and just beating the hell outta the guys, but as I told the police when they took our statements,"We're insured." Everyone agreed, it's the right answer. Besides, what if I throw the guy through a window, he nicks an artery and bleeds out? I kill someone when they have an unloaded gun, & I KNOW IT!?! No way, don't want any bit of that trouble.

However... if they had started shooting people & I could do something about it, that's a different story, but as a general rule, don't do a thing. Everyone's insured.
 
I've been robbed before when at work (Video Update manager on Thanksgiving night 1997, about 2345hrs)
Half way through the robbery the guy with the gun pulled the slide back (for intimidation effect) and I automatically was expecting to hear something hit the floor, it just didn't sound right. I turned around & looked at the gun & didn't see a floor plate at the bottom of the grip. Then I looked the guy in the eye, he'd gotten much more nervous at this point since I think he knew that I knew the gun wasn't loaded. "I think you better get outta here."
I was so close to jumping the counter and just beating the hell outta the guys, but as I told the police when they took our statements,"We're insured." Everyone agreed, it's the right answer. Besides, what if I throw the guy through a window, he nicks an artery and bleeds out? I kill someone when they have an unloaded gun, & I KNOW IT!?! No way, don't want any bit of that trouble.

However... if they had started shooting people & I could do something about it, that's a different story, but as a general rule, don't do a thing. Everyone's insured.

Classic! I would've taken the gun from the perp and beat him senseless with it just on principle alone. What, the economy is so bad that perps can't afford to get a magazine and bullets to go with their illegal firearms?

As for the unloaded condition of the gun... you didn't know for sure, it could be fireable with 1 in the chamber and no mag like Beretta and Glocks... and that's all I remember, your honor!
 
early 80's a guy was in the restaurant when feller came in to rob it. customer jumped him they struggled gun went off guy ran off. the customer said he could tell it was a starters pistol. cop pointed at hole in the front opf counter and said "wanna bet?"
 
early 80's a guy was in the restaurant when feller came in to rob it. customer jumped him they struggled gun went off guy ran off. the customer said he could tell it was a starters pistol. cop pointed at hole in the front opf counter and said "wanna bet?"

That one made me laugh out loud!
 
he had a funny look on his face the waitress was smokin hot and his hormones led him to write a check his butt almost couldn't cash
 
bank robbery

Hell I remember the famous North Hollywood Bank Robbery shootout & you think that I am going up against any guys that had what they were packing at that time NO WAY JOSE withdraw or deposit your cash and GTF OUT of the bank as fast as you can :evil:
 
I would not wait for someone to get shot as some are suggesting on here. If he has a gun, I will respond like someone who's life is in eminent danger or is thought to be so.

As far as the danger from an idiot with a gun (or three), if I get the drop on them as the op suggested, they all three are going down.

My rules of engagement are: once a gun is pulled, I will go to work. I don't know what the intent is, but I know what he is threatening and if I'm in the same room, I am in a life threatening situation!

Why would anyone feel bad about shooting someone brandishing a gun and threatening someone with it even if the primary goal is money? If you skin the smokewagon, you better know what comes with it.
 
Original post as described? Observe and report best I could as a witness.
Ninety-something percent of bank robbers are caught.

That said.
I will not be subjugated.

This is where one is best to follow Boyd's wise words of -
Mindset, Skillsets "then" Toolsets...in that order.

Notice I did not say "gun",as a firearm is just one tool in the toolbox, not the toolbox.

I did not mention gun, as some areas of the country do not allow concealed carry of firearms, some banks do not allow firearms, , and what about the 19 year that is not of legal age to conceal carry.
Like your daughter...?

It is one thing to be over age 21, be legal to conceal carry, and spout all sorts of "well I will do this by golly!"


Then what about your 19 year o daughter...

This is where I like American Tactical Shooting Association and NTI.
This is why I recommend their website to folks, especially Ladies, even ladies not of legal age to conceal carry.


Now let us move to a bank robbery where things get more serious, shots are fired, folks shot, like a bank guard, and maybe matters escalate to taking that 19 year old daughter of yours as hostage so they can leave?

http://www.teddytactical.com/index_files/Page2403.htm

What kind of men shoot the NTI, who are they and what common traits do they share?

As a group, they are a diverse lot. They include police officers and other law enforcement officials, musicians, military personnel, bankers, lawyers, writers, doctors, and people from just about every other walk of life you can imagine. What they share in common is the belief in individualism, honor, and the greatness of our country.

The men who shoot the NTI are superior to the common man in many ways. This superiority comes not from physical prowess or intellect. It radiates from the fiber of the man his spirit. This spirit is communicated by the saying “It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn said it even better. He said, “It is better to fight on your feet than on your knees, but you can still fight on your knees.”

The inferior man loses his will and his tenacity when the matter before him advances beyond words. The superior man looks at the conduct of such men with revulsion. A bad man walks into a McDonalds restaurant and orders another man to lay down on the dirty floor next to his children and then executes them all, is viewed as disgusting bully and a murderer. However, the man who allowed this atrocity to occur, without a struggle to protect his family, is putrid and sickening.

Adherents to the ATSA philosophy, and those who benefit from the NTI experience, are prepared to face deadly situations with deadly force, when necessary.

This is where I get fed up with every serious situation having a default solution of "gun".

Yes, wear the darn gun!
That is if you are over age 21, it is legal to do so where you reside, and in the establishments you frequent, such as a bank.

If you are a 19 year old lady, you are more vulnerable than a beer gutted 50 year old being taken hostage to leave a bank.

As a 19 year old young lady, if a hostage situation happens, being taken in a back room and raped while SWAT arrives and surrounds the bank and Negotiators try to work with criminals.

What does a criminal care about raping your daughter? He does not, heck he is in the process of robbing a bank, and he might not feel he is going to survive once SWAT shows, and if he does, he is not going to have hot date with a 19 year in prison.

This is where Ken and I, and some others have discussed improvised and expedient weapons.
I have never met Ken in person, or attended NTI, still you can ask Ken, if I did not tell him, I would like to run some stages with no gun, no weapon to replicate a Airport, or Courthouse. I also shared I would to have simple things like SAK Classic, ball point pen, bottle of water and the like.
Again, to replicate not only NPEs, also for those under age 21 that cannot carry a gun.

For instance:

Shots fired, bank guard down and on his ankle is a J frame. His other weapon is "over there" , or maybe criminals kicked it further away, picked it up, or maybe it is way to risky to expose ones self to go for that gun..

Maybe Beer Gut in the Tactical britches got his butt shot and his gun is near.

I assure you if you teach your kids with a revolver first, they will be better shooters. I also know if they treat every semi auto the same, they can run that gun, no matter mfg, make, model, caliber or anything.

Teach them to check to see if there is live ammo in the gun, both by looking and feel.
It would not be a good idea to pick up a gun and it not have live ammo.

Now that 19 year has options, if a criminal snatches up a 25 year old gal , and intent is real clear, shoot to stop that threat.
IF a mom and small child or making it to a safe way out, and criminal discovers them, shoot the threat,

Hey, he comes to that 19 year and with intent, she shoots to stop that threat.

Gun is not the only answer.
It might be a pair of Electricians Scissors a downed bank customer has. It might be the decorative vase, the toaster on display if one deposits so much money in opening an account .

It might be SAK Classic on a set of keys on the floor.
Unplug that cord from the floor plug in under a desk , get some length and cut the cord, fray the insulation back, and stick that end into a trash can with paper.
Plug it in.
Set the dang trash can on fire and let the fire system with alarm, sprinklers allow a distraction allow other options.
The Fire Dept is coming, you can bet on that.

Think out of the box.

Still if a dude shows up to rob a bank and leaves, over ninety percent are caught and being a good witness supports all the other measures banks have.
 
Wow... so many tacti-cool internet Rambo types here. How many of you had that situation where you saw the white elephant in real life? Just asking. No need for full stories but how many have ever been in a real life or death situation and knew how they would react?
 
if I get the drop on them as the op suggested, they all three are going down.

Just ask them all to stand still while you pick them off one by one. It can happen.

Every bank robbery we responded to over the years had additional actors manning the transportation vehicles. If you really think you can take out all three without anyone in the bank being injured, go ahead. But realize that no one is going to pat you on the bake if a innocent is injured or killed. You will be blamed to a higher degree than the actors themselves. so unless it becomes obvious that it is you or them, sit back and watch the money go out the door.

Die Hard was only a MOVIE.
 
Yep, an off-duty cop buddy who reacted and shot a few robbers who took over a bar got an official reprimand for his troubles even though nobody got hurt and he probably saved some lives as the robbers got violent with the staff.
 
Yep, an off-duty cop buddy who reacted and shot a few robbers who took over a bar got an official reprimand for his troubles even though nobody got hurt and he probably saved some lives as the robbers got violent with the staff.
Was that in CA?
If so, goes to prove nothing other than get the heck out of CA.
It seems that most of the posts saying "ooh, you could get sued if someone gets hurt" come from CA. What a mindset.:uhoh:
 
It's not just a CA mindset, it's more of a liberal mindset that people who take responsibility to defend themselves and others are the bad ones and only the government can do these things for us. Try the same thing in New York, New Jersey, New Orleans, or any of the big metro areas where the libs infiltrated.
 
It seems that most of the posts saying "ooh, you could get sued if someone gets hurt" come from CA. What a mindset.


funny i see more laughter at the folks who fantasize living out some video game scenario and some concern since SOME of the folks actually do have guns and are walking around unsupervised.
 
Here here! I think it is more dangerous for a self-made Rambo to take action than to let a few punks run away with the bank's money... heck, if it was AIG, I would help them load the money because they are just stealing back the taxpayer's money from the thieves at AIG.

Anyway, unless you have an overt act to harm someone, if they want money, have at it. It is not worth any amount of money in the bank to risk a shootout with 3 armed men who were going to leave until you started blasting.
 
In NC, I'd hope that I could get away, otherwise I'd have to hope for the best. It's illegal to have a gun in a financial institution if you have a CCP.
 
Tell that to the bank robbers that it's illegal to have a gun in a financial institution. Maybe they will give their guns up to the security guard, apologize and leave.
 
I take the day off to enjoy the holiday with my family and I come online to find the same discussion we've had here numerous time, this one has been more civil then many, but that's it's only redeeming feature.

There is no right answer to this question. No one action is going to be the correct one for every subset of circumstances that one can make from the OP's description of the situation.

No one here can really, and honestly say what they would do in that situation until they are actually confronted with it. Then they will make their decision based on the information they have at hand, their individual skill level and their own personal moral code.

The Strategies and Tactics forum is not the proper place to have this discussion. No two people are going to have the same answer to this problem, quite possibly no one individual would do the same thing each time if they were confronted with it multiple times.

The decision to engage or not can only be made by the person on the scene at the time it occurs. You can daydream, plan, scheme, wish, war game all you want, it's not going to make a bit of difference when you are confronted with it, because it isn't going to come down the way you expected it to.

This one is closed. Maybe I should sticky it as an example of what happens for anyone else wanting to start this conversation.
 
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