I thought only Glocks Kaboom

oh those are some awesome pics, i guess i will have to get rid of all my handguns.

The most common causes of true blowups are improperly loaded cartridges and bore obstructions. Those can and do happen regardless of the gun make and there is no reasonable way a manufacturer can prevent them. (The S&W revolver blowup is characteristic of an overload or use of the wrong powder.)

Other similar problems, like out-of-battery firing, or bursting of an unsupported case may be due to a defect in the gun or in its design, but those are much less common.

Jim

I've only known of one CZ to kaboom.

A bad factory round in .40.

The gun held together but the mag fell out and the plastic grips cracked. No other damage to the 75B was reported.

CZF said:

I've only known of one CZ to kaboom.

A bad factory round in .40.

The gun held together but the mag fell out and the plastic grips cracked. No other damage to the 75B was reported.

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There is a lot to be said for a steel frame. For all the other attributes of polymer frames, they will not survive a "KB" if you have one.

Lots of out of spec reloads used there. Just about any pistol will KB with that. I would like to add that the only pistol in that thread that was up and running again with only a few cheap parts replaced was the Sig.

"I thought only Glocks Kaboom"

I'll bet you feel better now that you've discovered your Glocks aren't alone.



JT

Anybody have any input on this?

"One last cause of "blowups:" The simple chambering and rechambering of a cartridge does push the bullet back into its case. Hirtenberg Ammunition Company of Austria (at the request of GLOCK, Inc.) determined that, with a .40 caliber cartridge, pushing the bullet back into the case 1/10 of an inch DOUBLED the chamber pressure. This is higher than a proof load. This "push back" can occur with but one chambering since it is dependent on how well the case was crimped or sealed to the bullet. How many of us regularly chamber and rechamber the first two rounds of our carry loads? (Also, this chambering and ejecting chews up the case rim, which can cause a malfunction. If you are limited to how much ammo you are issued, after cycling the first two rounds a few times, strip the magazine and load these two rounds first so they are the last up in the stick."

zammyman,

I've never heard this quote that you pasted from the Gun Zone anywhere else except from the Gun Zone. It might be true, then again it might not be. I haven't been over there in a while, but if my memory serves me correctly the author of the site has put up incorrect information on some subjects in the past.

With regard to .40S&W setbacks, it has the largest crimping surface area of all of the commonly encountered service calibers and is less likely to have a setback versus the other calibers. It has also had the rear of the case beefed up from past problems. Nowdays, the modern .40 is just as safe to use as any of the other service calibers and KBs are MUCH more likely a result of improper loading from handloaders.

lol.. comparing a KB'ed glock to a revolver.. classy

Its about chamber dimensions and case support. Glock doesn't think supporting the case is necessary so they are more LIKELY to kaboom and it seems clear they more often DO than other makes. Its the Glock fanboys who buy Glocks "perfection" hype and refuse to admit a design flaw NOT the rest of us who fail to admit that it could happen to all firearms under the right conditions. Shall we seem how many pics of KABOOMED Glocks we can find?? I bet I'll win.
BTW, I would never own a Glock in any caliber other than 9mm. I've seem WAY to many 40 and 45 Glock blown up to risk my fingers. You would have to be insane to shoot a 357 SIG in a Glock. Not unless you like nicknames like "Lefty" or "Stumpy".

A number of things can cause a Kboom. Adding more things like unsupported cases, barrels that will not tolerate lead buildup, designs that allow firing out of battery does not help reduce your chances. If you like a top heavy plastic framed gun with those features I guess it's your choice. Calling it "perfection" is simply marketing to folks who do not understand weapon design. But if you like it go for it.

Any gun can blow up. And I still extremely dislike Glocks so.....

Glock a new standard.
Um well ok they make a plastic pistol that still cant hang out with the real ones (LOL, just had to say that). Also there grips feel really bad in my hand so ill stick with my trusty ole S&W 5906. But they are way behind the times when it comes to grips.

BTW: just my own 2 cents and yes ive shot a lot of Glocks, but I have yet to find one that fits my hand properly.

but the fact is they perform flawlessy 9.9999% of the time,

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WOW Thats almost 10 PERCENT!! NO WONDER YOU LIKE THEM!!

Personally I think most Glocks perform even better than that. In fact Glocks are some of the best weapons out there. It doesn't change the fact they don't support the casings properly and they are more prone to fire out of battery more than the competition. These are two design flaws that should have been corrected years ago but Glock and the Glockers just blame everything but the weapon every time something happens. There was a recent thread where a guy had a FTE with a Glock and there was at least 20 posts about how he sissy wristed it, the ammo was bad, he didn't clean it right, etc....etc..... If it was any other weapon people would have said, "Its a new weapon. Keep shooting it will be fine. If you continue to have problems keep track of which magazine caused it and it could be caused by a bad mag." BUT of course, Glocks NEVER have bad mags do they so that would be stupid advice for a Glock wouldn't it? The fact of the matter is Glocks are a device like any other that can and do fail. Its Glocks own arrogance that has stopped it from becoming an even better weapon. SIGs, S&Ws, HKs, are all making great weapons and the the Glocks have nothing to brag about that would make it better than any of those. If you choose to shoot Glocks more power to you but the Glock perfection, never jams, KABOOMS are the users fault, Super laser accurate, torture test proven, and everything else is just junk, just gets a little old. If people could be intellectually honest instead of just fanboys you might get a better response to a flame inducing thread like this one.

I've shot Glocks before and they shot fine. I've seen them fail like any other weapon. I've handled other weapons that shoot and handle better and are just as reliable. Thats my opinion. That doesn't make me or anyone else a Glock hater. In fact it has less to do with our opinion of the weapon than it does the constant hype the Glock fanboys are constantly trying to spoon feed to everyone around them.
Why don't you post this on Glocktalk? It seems that would have been a better place for it. What the heck does our opinion of the Glock have to do with what YOU think of it? I love my M&Ps and my HK P7 is one of the best shooting weapons I've ever handled. I like AK 47s more than the ARs, and those opinions don't hinge on anyone else agreeing with it. I'm not going to thump my chest all day trying to get everyone else to agree with me.

"but the fact is they perform flawlessy 9.9999%"

Does that mean they are flawed 90.0001% of the time?

Joking! I know you misplaced your decimal point.

Is it just me, or does it seem that .40's tend to be the most problematic semi-auto round? I don't hear about .45's blowing up or .45's getting pushed back into their case. Same with 9mm.

The .40 is a fairly high pressure round, especially compared to the .45 ACP. Combine that pressure with a less than fully supported case and you will have cases blowing. And I'm not just referring to the Glock here. Back in the late 80s when everyone in IPSC competition decided to switch to the .38 Super cartridge (also high pressure) there was a rash of blowouts. People had brass shrapnel in their faces and grips splintered into their hands and magazines blown out the well. The solution was the introduction of the fully ramped barrel. With ramped barrels competitors started using all manner of ever higher pressure loads to enable the compensators to work better. The results were pretty amazing. If you push the envelope you need to understand the consequences of excess. The laws of physics cannot be broken. A lot of folks are still learning this.

We had a 1911 blow up several weeks back. Most likely a bad reload. The frame was undamaged but other parts were not that lucky.

You have to love Ruger's overengineering. The cylinder in pieces, mulitple rounds detonated, and the frame topstrap is just bulged. Now I'm a die-hard S&W fan, always will be. But when you see the S&W (yes, it is an airweight PD version, but still) with the topstrap gone, it does give one appreciation for Ruger's rugged ugliness.

it does give one appreciation for Ruger's rugged ugliness.

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It's not ugly, it's Rugly. Ruger, Rugged, ugly.

Problem is, there are multiple examples of Glocks that have gone kablooey. Yeah, so how does showing pictures of something else, change anything about Glocks?