Let's talk about pistol cleaners and lube!

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So with the winter passing here in the next 2 months, I will be shooting my handguns a lot more. I want to stay on top of the cleaning/maintenance this year, and in preparation I plan on stocking up on a bunch of cleaners and lubes.

I've been researching a bunch of cleaners and lubes to see what people like the best. Turns out just like with everything else, some people like product A and others like product B. I can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Right now I just use Hoppes #9 solvent for bore/breach cleaning, then run Shooter's choice FP-10 through the bore for protection in addition to using it as my main lubricant. I know for my oil needs that FP-10 is great and I don't really need to replace this product.

However, what I do need is a good product for metal conditioning. In other words some type of CLP product that can clean the bore and breach area as good or better than Hoppes #9, but will also protect it from corrosion and rust, and condition the bore so that the following clean-ups are that much easier. It doesn't need to have the best lubricating properties, because I already go to FP-10 for that. But in the event that any oil dries up over time, it still needs to be able to protect the gun from rust.

I've never tried Break Free - CLP. Everyone swears by it, although some people say a product called Eezox is better for rust/corrosion resistance. Are these products good at removing metal fouling from the barrel and chamber areas like a good solvent? Also, do these products provide adequate lubrication to use on trigger mechanisms and other small rotating parts, or should I stick with a small drop of oil for that? And about the barrel bore... is it smart to do a final run-through of a CLP product and leave it, or is a coat of oil afterwards still the best thing?

I've looked at the Hoppes Elite Cleaner and Bore Gel (which are the same thing), and this looks like something I'd be interested in. However, they only claim to clean and "condition" the bore, not necessarily protect it from rust. I'm wondering if there's a real difference between this and the Hoppes #9 solvent I already use. The M-Pro 7 line of cleaners and lubes are supposed to be the same formulas as Hoppes, but they have a CLP product that Hoppes doesn't offer. Could this be what I'm looking for?

Lastly, is Break Free CLP a "dry" or "wet" product? I really want to try the stuff, but I live in an apartment with roommates so the only place I can use it is in my bedroom. This doesn't seem like a good idea considering it is an aerosol spray. From what it seems you are supposed to basically hose down any parts with the stuff until they are clean. I imagine it working almost like an aerosol break-cleaner product. I don't want to breathe in carcinogens in a poorly ventilated area either.

As far as a grease goes, is it smart to use grease anywhere on my guns? Perhaps on the slide rails of my 1911s? Are there any other areas where grease is preferred, like barrel lugs? I am aware that grease stays put better than oil does, but I don't want anything that is thick or would cake up over time. Any suggestions for a light grease product?

I know that was a lot to cover, but I'm really trying to find some good products here. Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated..thanks! - CP
 
Thanks Boba Fett! I might pick up some of the Shooter's Choice grease and use it conservatively on the frame rails of my 1911s. (Unless someone else has a better suggestion for a grease.)

I looked up some product reviews on Shooter's Choice FP-10, and the general consensus is that it is a great CLP product in itself. Maybe I've been using my ideal product all along:)

I'm still looking for a "dry" CLP or metal conditioner that prevents rust for places that I don't want to soak in oil (like trigger actions). It simply CANNOT allow anything to gunk up though...Hell, maybe I'm looking for something I don't need. The 2-step process of using a cleaner/solvent to clean and FP-10 to lubricate has always worked for me in the past. Maybe I should just stick to it.
 
Is TW25b an oil or grease? What are its properties (ie: sticky, runny) and does it perform well in cold/hot weather? I've seen a lot of people talk highly of TW25b but don't have any experience with it myself. I've read that Sig uses this stuff so I'm assuming it's a grease.
 
CLP Break Free is a wet product.

If anyone cares.. I mix one bottle of CLP w/ 3x denatured mineral spirits. Cleans the guns fantastic and leaves behind just the right amount of oil on the guns to prevent rust. (Houston is HUMID)
After the guns are cleaned I strain the cleaner mixture thru a coffee filter back into the storage jug I use to recycle it. I have to buy a bottle of CLP once every 6 months or so.
Safe for everything from my Browning O/U to my AR15 to my XD45. Does not harm synthetic or wood finishes.
Davionmaximus;)
 
I've looked at the Hoppes Elite Cleaner and Bore Gel (which are the same thing), and this looks like something I'd be interested in. However, they only claim to clean and "condition" the bore, not necessarily protect it from rust.

It will not protect it from rust. At least that is the information on M-pro7's website in their faqs page. I haven't had any rust from using it, but after reading the faqs I put a little oil in the bore when I am done.


I'm wondering if there's a real difference between this and the Hoppes #9 solvent I already use.

The #9 is alcohol based where the Hoppes is bio-degradable. It does no stink up the house with closed windows.


The M-Pro 7 line of cleaners and lubes are supposed to be the same formulas as Hoppes, but they have a CLP product that Hoppes doesn't offer. Could this be what I'm looking for?

I really like the M-pro7 cleaner and lube, but want to try their CLP as a final coat to protect from rust. Again, I haven't had any rust from using just the cleaner, but after reading their faqs page at their website I wipe everything with a little oil but will try the CLP for that purpose from now on.

http://www.mp7.com/MPro7Faqs.aspx
 
Well, not sure I have any exciting recommendations for you...but I did have a thought:
My cleaning ritual/solvents/lubricants are dependant on the weapon. I treat my Glocks differently than I treat my Sigs, etc.
You need to find the right combination of ritual and products that works well for your weapon. Environment is also a consideration: I live up north were humidity is only a concern in the summer - no rust issues here, so I don't need any special lubricants to combat that problem.
Use is another consideration. I know some poeple that will slather on heavy hi-temp grease if they know they're going to be shooting a lot of rounds in one day (like 1000). For daily carry, and the once a week/month range session, you don't need that.
I guess my point is, one size does not fit all. Find what works for your situation and your weapon. Lot's of good info here to help you figure that out.

BTW: I love the smell of Hoppe's #9. Breakfree CLP STINKS. :)
 
For some time I've been using the Break-Free CLP liquid for general cleaning and treating, and Militec-1 for lube, augmented by Rig+P grease on the slide rails of SIGs. The Break-Free is also a decent lube, but Militec-1 seems to stay in place in longer.

Recently, I've been branching out. I've done a couple deep cleans with Gun Scrubber Synthetic-Safe (which is a degreaser, so relubrication is a must) and have also used Ballistol (the crazy non-toxic biodegradable wood/leather/plastic-safe German CLP that's over a hundred years old and smells like dirty licorice socks). So far I haven't fired either of the pistols I've cleaned and lubed with Ballistol, but I'm proceeding under the assumption that if it was good enough for the Wehrmacht, it's good enough for me. We'll see, but it has a good reputation.

CLP liquid and Militec-1 are basically odor-free. Gun Scrubber is pretty nasty, and gloves and goggles are recommended - not ideal for bedroom cleaning, or with roommates present. Ballistol smells weird, but it's not terribly strong, and dissipates quickly.

So, to sum up, unless you are looking to blast out everything and start from scratch, or like to pretend you're a German police department armorer in the '80s, CLP, Militec, and perhaps the grease of your choice for alloy-framed pistols, might be an easy, non-stinky regimen for cleaning and lubing pistols.
 
CLP is fine along with the oil of your choice.....FP10, weapon shield etc. I prefer dipping a q-tip in some "slide glide" and running it down the rails with a drop of oil as a topper. It really slicks up the action, I've tried many things but I really feel the difference.

Jerry
 
CPshooter said:
Is TW25b an oil or grease? What are its properties (ie: sticky, runny) and does it perform well in cold/hot weather? I've seen a lot of people talk highly of TW25b but don't have any experience with it myself. I've read that Sig uses this stuff so I'm assuming it's a grease.

It's a light grease, I usually apply it with an acid brush to contact surfaces. It doesn't thin out and actually thickens slightly over time.

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/mil-comm_users.htm
 
Thanks for the replies..

I just did a little more searching online, and someone said that while they like the M-Pro 7 cleaner and lube, they didn't think the CLP was that great so they went back to Break Free. They didn't say why they didn't like it though.

I happened to go to Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday after making this thread. This is what I bought:

-Hoppe's Elite gun cleaner (same as M-Pro 7 cleaner)

-Some Hoppe's #9 incase I see some surface rust or bad copper fouling (I hear the harsher ammonia based #9 can remove surface rust..is this true?)

-another 4oz bottle of Shooter's Choice FP-10 lube (a good CLP w/ a large emphasis on lubrication from what I've been reading)

- Shooter's Choice "All Weather High-Tech" Grease just to experiment with

- Some new nylon bore brushes and mops for my Gunslick rod (does anyone have opinions on the pros and cons to using nylon vs. the bronze metal brushes)

- A Birchwood Casey gun & reel silicon cloth (I find that this brand is much more effective at depositing a good amount of silicon vs. the Hoppes version)


Now that I'm all stocked up I think I'm going to spend several hours this afternoon cleaning/lubing my 5 handguns. If I'm up to it, I might even detail strip my H&K USPc and my Kimber Ultra Carry II since they are most likely to be shot and carried. (If anyone has good tutorials on how to detail strip these guns, please post a link!)

Finally, where can I get a complete armorer's punch set for a decent price? All I have right now is a Glock armorers tool.
 
So, to sum up, unless you are looking to blast out everything and start from scratch, or like to pretend you're a German police department armorer in the '80s, CLP, Militec, and perhaps the grease of your choice for alloy-framed pistols, might be an easy, non-stinky regimen for cleaning and lubing pistols.
Ok..so does that mean I should really consider using a grease on my UCII rails since it has an alloy frame?

I just opened up the Shooter's Choice grease I bought yesterday and it is a bright red color! I don't know if I like that...I was hoping it was more of a white/light pink grease. I don't need red stuff rubbing off everywhere.

mr2guru, the fact that it thickens over time doesn't sound like something I'd want. Do you have any experience with Tetra grease? I had the option of buying that today, but didn't.

I don't have a real need to detail strip and start from scratch, but I really would like to clean up and smooth out the trigger action on my USPc. I can also see what looks like old, dirty grease on the bottom of the hammer...which has been there since it was new. I figure the USPc40 might be a good candidate for a complete detail strip, clean, and lube.

Again, thanks for all the replies!
 
When I say thickens over time.... we're talking 12-18mo. at least from my experience using it on the M61A1 gun system at those time intervals.

Most greases will thin out or migrate over time. TW25b doesn't. If you put it on the rails and contact surfaces, it will stay there.
 
After doing research Im only using Kroil and JB bore paste for barrel cleaning. No brass brushes, just cotton patches and a jag. For lube I only use Weaponshield. These products come recommended from some well knowns in the 1911 world and custom barrel makers.
 
CPShooter, to clarify about the grease - I've used grease on SIG rails to save wear and tear on the frame from range use and because it stays put for a long time, not because it's a better lube as such, although I've had no specific problems with it. It's my impression that grease is usually not recommended for a dedicated carry or home defense gun.

As as a side note, I haven't used grease much with other alloy-framed pistols, for no good reason other than that a lot of SIG enthusiasts whose opinions I respect suggest it, at least for range and plinking applications.
 
What I Prefer

Hoppe's #9 or Elite. I've used both and find them to be just fine. The Elite is more expensive but your bride won't kick you out due to the smell, like #9.

Foaming Bore Cleaner. Quick, simple and for me, it does the job on copper.

For lubrication? Dave Berryhill's Gun Lube & FP-10.

Shoot. Repeat cleaning. Enjoy!
 
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