JImbothefiveth
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Also, I've seen ruger 10/22s go for insanely bad prices used, sometimes even costing more than a new one, so I'd lean towards getting a new one, if you get that gun.
Wanting to buy my first gun and need some advice
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The Marlin Model 60 is a Wal-Mart staple, new for $147. It's loads of fun and eats whatever ammo you want to put into it, and it's cheaper than a 10/22.
For primary HD, I would buy a Shotgun. Remington 870 Express Youth. It's a 20 gauge gun, 21" barrel, has a shorter LOP, and it's quite light. The only painful recoil I've gotten out of that gun is firing the 3" Federal 2Buck loads. If you get the Winchester 3Buck 2 3/4" shells you won't have a problem. I have my magazine loaded with the 3" shells, hoping I never have to fire them.
For primary HD, I would buy a Shotgun. Remington 870 Express Youth. It's a 20 gauge gun, 21" barrel, has a shorter LOP, and it's quite light. The only painful recoil I've gotten out of that gun is firing the 3" Federal 2Buck loads. If you get the Winchester 3Buck 2 3/4" shells you won't have a problem. I have my magazine loaded with the 3" shells, hoping I never have to fire them.
To the OP:
A gun safe would be a good idea for all your guns, papers, valuables, and a choice selection of ammo. Last I looked, some were available with upgraded fire protection. But when adults are in the house, there's nothing like positive control of the weapon both for immediate access AND for 100% assurance that no child in the back bedroom is rooting around for one.
An excellent holster such as this:
http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=95
will suit that purpose and is great for CCW in general. (Get a belt magazine holster too -- CompTac has nice kydex ones I believe).
Another idea I'll throw out there is to keep the pistol chamber empty when it's at home in the HD role. With some IPSC-style dry-fire drilling, the rack is automatic and takes a fraction of a second. My child is too small to rack a Glock and so having an empty chamber is excellent protection against accidental discharge, in his or my hands, which IMHO is incomparably more important on a day-to-day basis than saving a fraction of a second in a one-in-a-lifetime-if-ever HD situation. The "cocked and locked at all times for home defense" zealotry/pedantry is symptomatic of mall-ninja retardation, IMHO. For police / active threat situations, it's of course a different strory.
Google for IPSC drills, dry-fire and live-fire. Dry-fire your pistol regularly - spend a few minutes every day as a matter of course - including drawing from the holster, and you will soon DRAMATICALLY improve drawing/racking speed, acquisition speed, aim steadiness, and trigger control. Likewise practice with your weak hand. Dry-firing will not hurt a quality centerfire pistol, period, as tested by local IPSC nuts who dry-fire more in a year than we would in a lifetime and who report no damage.
And, of course, test yourself and your equipment at the range.
As a fellow parent and citizen, I am glad that the OP is ready to turn from a 911-dialing sheep to an effective protector of your household. After you've embarked on this road, the next best thing would be to help your friends make the same transition, and please also join the NRA. Given the current political climate, whatever the NRA's warts, not being a member/donor is dishonorable to the history of sacrifices made for the unique freedoms we mostly still enjoy in this country, and to the freedoms of the succeeding generations.
A gun safe would be a good idea for all your guns, papers, valuables, and a choice selection of ammo. Last I looked, some were available with upgraded fire protection. But when adults are in the house, there's nothing like positive control of the weapon both for immediate access AND for 100% assurance that no child in the back bedroom is rooting around for one.
An excellent holster such as this:
http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=95
will suit that purpose and is great for CCW in general. (Get a belt magazine holster too -- CompTac has nice kydex ones I believe).
Another idea I'll throw out there is to keep the pistol chamber empty when it's at home in the HD role. With some IPSC-style dry-fire drilling, the rack is automatic and takes a fraction of a second. My child is too small to rack a Glock and so having an empty chamber is excellent protection against accidental discharge, in his or my hands, which IMHO is incomparably more important on a day-to-day basis than saving a fraction of a second in a one-in-a-lifetime-if-ever HD situation. The "cocked and locked at all times for home defense" zealotry/pedantry is symptomatic of mall-ninja retardation, IMHO. For police / active threat situations, it's of course a different strory.
Google for IPSC drills, dry-fire and live-fire. Dry-fire your pistol regularly - spend a few minutes every day as a matter of course - including drawing from the holster, and you will soon DRAMATICALLY improve drawing/racking speed, acquisition speed, aim steadiness, and trigger control. Likewise practice with your weak hand. Dry-firing will not hurt a quality centerfire pistol, period, as tested by local IPSC nuts who dry-fire more in a year than we would in a lifetime and who report no damage.
And, of course, test yourself and your equipment at the range.
As a fellow parent and citizen, I am glad that the OP is ready to turn from a 911-dialing sheep to an effective protector of your household. After you've embarked on this road, the next best thing would be to help your friends make the same transition, and please also join the NRA. Given the current political climate, whatever the NRA's warts, not being a member/donor is dishonorable to the history of sacrifices made for the unique freedoms we mostly still enjoy in this country, and to the freedoms of the succeeding generations.
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I dont think I saw anyone mention it. My personal taste for safety is with Taurus.
For my ccw, I use a mil pro PT 1-45.
For near full size, I would suggest maybe the 24/7 pro DS in either the 9mm or 45 acp. You can also do a xenon tactical light or xenon light search on ebay, and they hav a roughly $70 laser/light with a remote thumb switch setup which fits perfectly. It is also just as reliable and quality is the same as several 1-200 units ive seen at my local range.
In addition to decocking safeties and nice long trigger pulls with sa/da, they also have a taurus safety system, which involves a slide lock.
A gun safe, regardless of what firearm you purchase is a good idea. As well as proper gun care and gun safety education and teaching your kids to respect guns etc.
For dry firing, you can get some snap caps fairly cheap to help protect the firing pin.
For what its worth, the lady enjoys the 9mm a fair bit more than the 45.
For my ccw, I use a mil pro PT 1-45.
For near full size, I would suggest maybe the 24/7 pro DS in either the 9mm or 45 acp. You can also do a xenon tactical light or xenon light search on ebay, and they hav a roughly $70 laser/light with a remote thumb switch setup which fits perfectly. It is also just as reliable and quality is the same as several 1-200 units ive seen at my local range.
In addition to decocking safeties and nice long trigger pulls with sa/da, they also have a taurus safety system, which involves a slide lock.
A gun safe, regardless of what firearm you purchase is a good idea. As well as proper gun care and gun safety education and teaching your kids to respect guns etc.
For dry firing, you can get some snap caps fairly cheap to help protect the firing pin.
For what its worth, the lady enjoys the 9mm a fair bit more than the 45.
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Maybe I am the only crazy one here, but has anyone ever fired a .357 Magnum in a dark enclosed space?
I have a few suggestions. and a question or two. What is your life worth? Buy the best you can get, not the best you can afford, quit drinking beer, and cancel the cable, best gun you can get. Now each of the guns you listed are wonderful in their own right, however all are made to do a differant job. As for the saftey XD thing, you are looking at it backwards. you WANT a gun that has as few EXTERNAL safties as possible. Having been in a gunfight or two, I can tell you that yes in fact fine motor skill are one of the first things to go, forget a complicated external saftey. You might remember how it works when you need it, but will your wife, or other family member? Now I understand the need to keep the gun for becoming a plaything for the kid, however most children can be tought very quickly not to play with the gun. The next step is yours, don't have it where they can get to it. A great way to do this is something that my brother does. He places his glock loaded chamber empty in a serpa retention holster. This then goes on the nightstand. Either handgun you mentioned, a Blackhawk serpa holster is made for. The next thing I need to tell you is very importent, if you REALLY, REALLY think that someone is in your house, DO NOT GO LOOK FOR THEM!!!! Stay with you family and call the police. Get your children and your wife and turn the light off. Have a very powerful flashlight ready to turn on poinded at the door along with your gun. If you go look for them then they have the advantage, they know where they are and just have to wait for you then they own you. If you wait for them the situation is reversed. Looking for an intruder is simply stupid. You have all the time in the world to wait in your room for the police to come. If they enter your room, they are standing in what is called the "faital Funnel", named that for a reason. So to recommend a pistol for home defense, I would tell you to get either a Glock 19 9mm, Sig P229 9mm or something simular. As for revolvers Smith & Wesson Model 66, GP100, or SP 101 chambered in .357 mag, but load is with a good .38 spl +P load like the 125 gr +p Speer Gold dot, cor bon 125 +P, or cor bon's 125 +P DPX. When you venture out in the wilds load your revolver with a magnum load such as corbon's 200gr HC, or for some versatility use the 158gr Gold Dot .357 magnum load. If you dought the effectiveness of this round on a Black Bear, one of my coustmers shot a GRIZZLY bear with a 125gr gold dot out of a Sig Sauer P226 in >357 sig. One shot .. Dead Bear. Good aim and a good dose of luck I am sure helped. The .357 Sig can be used also and does make an exclent choice however practice ammunition costs 2-3 times more than 9mm or 40 S&W. It does however have a solid record to back it up. However it will penetrate more than say a 40 or a 45. One of the reasons for the great record of rounds like the 40 or .357 sig is partly because they only came on the sceane after bullet science had come along way. there simply where not the years of bad guys being shot with FMJ and other useless self defense ammo. Something to remember when the salesman tries to tell you that you need a 40 instead of a 9mm. Use good bullets, train as much as you can, and for love of God, let the pro's clear the house, I am sure your wife will appreciate not being made a widow.
Oh and which ever handgun you buy, get the ruger 10/22 anyway, its not the greatest for defense but priceless for practice, & family fun. Others will tell you to get sonething else, trust me get the 10/22 there are reasons it has been around forever and you can get stuff for it at your local wal mart.
I wish you the best of luck, feel free to PM me if you have and more specific questions that I can help with.
I have a few suggestions. and a question or two. What is your life worth? Buy the best you can get, not the best you can afford, quit drinking beer, and cancel the cable, best gun you can get. Now each of the guns you listed are wonderful in their own right, however all are made to do a differant job. As for the saftey XD thing, you are looking at it backwards. you WANT a gun that has as few EXTERNAL safties as possible. Having been in a gunfight or two, I can tell you that yes in fact fine motor skill are one of the first things to go, forget a complicated external saftey. You might remember how it works when you need it, but will your wife, or other family member? Now I understand the need to keep the gun for becoming a plaything for the kid, however most children can be tought very quickly not to play with the gun. The next step is yours, don't have it where they can get to it. A great way to do this is something that my brother does. He places his glock loaded chamber empty in a serpa retention holster. This then goes on the nightstand. Either handgun you mentioned, a Blackhawk serpa holster is made for. The next thing I need to tell you is very importent, if you REALLY, REALLY think that someone is in your house, DO NOT GO LOOK FOR THEM!!!! Stay with you family and call the police. Get your children and your wife and turn the light off. Have a very powerful flashlight ready to turn on poinded at the door along with your gun. If you go look for them then they have the advantage, they know where they are and just have to wait for you then they own you. If you wait for them the situation is reversed. Looking for an intruder is simply stupid. You have all the time in the world to wait in your room for the police to come. If they enter your room, they are standing in what is called the "faital Funnel", named that for a reason. So to recommend a pistol for home defense, I would tell you to get either a Glock 19 9mm, Sig P229 9mm or something simular. As for revolvers Smith & Wesson Model 66, GP100, or SP 101 chambered in .357 mag, but load is with a good .38 spl +P load like the 125 gr +p Speer Gold dot, cor bon 125 +P, or cor bon's 125 +P DPX. When you venture out in the wilds load your revolver with a magnum load such as corbon's 200gr HC, or for some versatility use the 158gr Gold Dot .357 magnum load. If you dought the effectiveness of this round on a Black Bear, one of my coustmers shot a GRIZZLY bear with a 125gr gold dot out of a Sig Sauer P226 in >357 sig. One shot .. Dead Bear. Good aim and a good dose of luck I am sure helped. The .357 Sig can be used also and does make an exclent choice however practice ammunition costs 2-3 times more than 9mm or 40 S&W. It does however have a solid record to back it up. However it will penetrate more than say a 40 or a 45. One of the reasons for the great record of rounds like the 40 or .357 sig is partly because they only came on the sceane after bullet science had come along way. there simply where not the years of bad guys being shot with FMJ and other useless self defense ammo. Something to remember when the salesman tries to tell you that you need a 40 instead of a 9mm. Use good bullets, train as much as you can, and for love of God, let the pro's clear the house, I am sure your wife will appreciate not being made a widow.
Oh and which ever handgun you buy, get the ruger 10/22 anyway, its not the greatest for defense but priceless for practice, & family fun. Others will tell you to get sonething else, trust me get the 10/22 there are reasons it has been around forever and you can get stuff for it at your local wal mart.
I wish you the best of luck, feel free to PM me if you have and more specific questions that I can help with.
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Kernel
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You’re a staving college student with a wife and child to support. How much disposable income do you have? I’m assuming cost is extremely important. If not, you can buy just about anything and be well served. You’re not going to touch a used wonder-nine for under 4 bills. There are a ton of used Glocks & S&W crunch’in-clickers on the market right now as lots of police departments are trading them in and upgrading.
With that wonder-nine it’ll take you each 200 rounds to get basic proficiency. Maybe more. Major caliber pistols are not easy to master, especially for children. $10 for 50 rounds (if you can find the cheap stuff), that’s $120. Then you’ll need a box of the “good stuff” for home defense. Say, $35 for a box of premium 9mm (which you’ll seldom be able to practice with because it’s too expensive). Best case, your pistol and initial ammo buy to get to a shaky entry-level proficiency will set you back around $550.
As others have said, a new Marlin Model 60 is less than $150 and 500 rounds of ammo will only set you back about $10. For pocket change you can shoot 500 rounds a month, every month. In no time you, your wife & daughter will all become crack shots with that rifle. A family of Annie Oakleys for less than a $170 initial buy and $10 a month maintenance fee. The downside is .22LR is not great for home defense, but it’s better than a sharp poke in the eye. And even a pee shooter that you’re an expert with can be better than an elephant gun you got no trigger time on.
I like the idea of a used S&W or Ruger 4-inch revolver in .38 SPL or .357 Mag. Which ever one you can find first at the right price. These can commonly be found for $225 and under. The police trade-ins flooded the market 10 years ago. There’s still boat loads of them floating around. Maybe, a little worn and dinged-up on the outside, but sub $200 deals are not unreasonable (I’m not talking Ruger SP101s here). You just gotta cover the pawnshops, gun shops, and gun shows for awhile. Revolvers are easier for a novice to learn and stay proficient on. The down side is factory practice ammo is probably a little more expensive (reloads, however, will be less). Best case, a used revolver and initial ammo buy is going to set you back $400.
With that wonder-nine it’ll take you each 200 rounds to get basic proficiency. Maybe more. Major caliber pistols are not easy to master, especially for children. $10 for 50 rounds (if you can find the cheap stuff), that’s $120. Then you’ll need a box of the “good stuff” for home defense. Say, $35 for a box of premium 9mm (which you’ll seldom be able to practice with because it’s too expensive). Best case, your pistol and initial ammo buy to get to a shaky entry-level proficiency will set you back around $550.
As others have said, a new Marlin Model 60 is less than $150 and 500 rounds of ammo will only set you back about $10. For pocket change you can shoot 500 rounds a month, every month. In no time you, your wife & daughter will all become crack shots with that rifle. A family of Annie Oakleys for less than a $170 initial buy and $10 a month maintenance fee. The downside is .22LR is not great for home defense, but it’s better than a sharp poke in the eye. And even a pee shooter that you’re an expert with can be better than an elephant gun you got no trigger time on.
I like the idea of a used S&W or Ruger 4-inch revolver in .38 SPL or .357 Mag. Which ever one you can find first at the right price. These can commonly be found for $225 and under. The police trade-ins flooded the market 10 years ago. There’s still boat loads of them floating around. Maybe, a little worn and dinged-up on the outside, but sub $200 deals are not unreasonable (I’m not talking Ruger SP101s here). You just gotta cover the pawnshops, gun shops, and gun shows for awhile. Revolvers are easier for a novice to learn and stay proficient on. The down side is factory practice ammo is probably a little more expensive (reloads, however, will be less). Best case, a used revolver and initial ammo buy is going to set you back $400.
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MT GUNNY
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The Wife and Kids would prolly have more fun with the 10/22. A mini 14 would give them the Same fun + you would have a little more Field Power.
Or just get Both the 10/22 and the XD9!
Or just get Both the 10/22 and the XD9!
Big Daddy Grim
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I would go for the 10/22 cheap to shoot lasts forever. For hand gun I would say XD a breeze to clean and disasemble excellent shooter and good gun to begin with all that said for a first gun the 10/22 holds a special place in my heart was my first.
epaget
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Thanks for all the great advice guys. I will be heading to the range tomorrow to try out the Ruger SP101. We'll see how it works for me.
Vomitus Maximus
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XD9 is available with thumb safety
According to the Springfield website and the owner's manual of my XD9, it is available with an external thumb safety. Must be a special order though. I do love the XD9 - it is my first handgun.
According to the Springfield website and the owner's manual of my XD9, it is available with an external thumb safety. Must be a special order though. I do love the XD9 - it is my first handgun.
epaget
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Do you have the link?
I have looked at the website before and have never seen the 9mm with a thumb safety option. Can you post the link where you saw it?
Thanks,
Ean
I have looked at the website before and have never seen the 9mm with a thumb safety option. Can you post the link where you saw it?
Thanks,
Ean
sturmgewehr667
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garand
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semi: M1 garand
pistol: 1911
bolt rifle: 1903A3/A4
sheengun: STG44
shotgun: M1897
that's all you'll ever need and anything else is just for fun
pistol: 1911
bolt rifle: 1903A3/A4
sheengun: STG44
shotgun: M1897
that's all you'll ever need and anything else is just for fun
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Well, my home is defended by revolvers. A .44 magnum Smith can shoot defensive loads the 1911A1 will blanche at and not even attempt to swallow. I do carry a 92FS for the capacity.
thirdeagle
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. . .back to the choices you listed. . .I'd take the Sp101 hands down. After working through the mechanics of shooting I move into the XD. I never had much use for the semi-auto .22lr - including the 10/22. I'd take a bolt action CZ instead.
MachIVshooter
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First, Welcome aboard!
Now, down to business:
I have seen that others suggested the Marlin model 60 over the 10/22, and I agree with them. The model 60 is just a nicer rifle all-around, and can be had for less money.
Not a bad choice at all, but if you're not going to carry concealed, I'd go with others' recommendations to get a full size .357, like the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100. Much more pleasant on the range.
If you like the XD, but the lack of thumb safety is putting you off, check out the S&W M&P9. Roughly the same size and weight as an XD, same ammo capacity and same price point. You'll likely have to order it with thumb safety, though, as most dealers stock the no safety model from what I've seen.
Hope this helps!
Now, down to business:
I have seen that others suggested the Marlin model 60 over the 10/22, and I agree with them. The model 60 is just a nicer rifle all-around, and can be had for less money.
Not a bad choice at all, but if you're not going to carry concealed, I'd go with others' recommendations to get a full size .357, like the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100. Much more pleasant on the range.
If you like the XD, but the lack of thumb safety is putting you off, check out the S&W M&P9. Roughly the same size and weight as an XD, same ammo capacity and same price point. You'll likely have to order it with thumb safety, though, as most dealers stock the no safety model from what I've seen.
Hope this helps!
JImbothefiveth
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m1 Garand for home defense? Probably not a good idea. 1903 would be even worse. Also remember the shooter is on a budget.
The .357 magnum has, according to Marshal and Sanow, more stopping power on human attackers than a .44 , probably because the .44 usually uses hunting bullets, while the .357 is more likely to use self-defense bullets.
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Jimbo: "The .357 magnum has, according to Marshal and Sanow, more stopping power on human attackers than a .44 , probably because the .44 usually uses hunting bullets, while the .357 is more likely to use self-defense bullets."
I don't let my guns choose their ammunition load. The loads I keep for H/D in the 29 are pretty effective.
I don't let my guns choose their ammunition load. The loads I keep for H/D in the 29 are pretty effective.
Daveboone
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First Gun:
Hi. My suggestion will take a different track. The .22 is well proven as a "starter"gun for many reasons. Fun to shoot, cheap to shoot, inexpensive.
All of them mean you will shoot more often. The 10/22 is inexpensive, totally reliable with good ammo (I shoot nothing but CCI Mini Mags), and very compact for a rifle. As well, the magazine is super fast to load, far beating the tube feed of a Marlin. The rifle is compact enough to hold tight to the body in the enclosed area of a house. If you have no firearm now, the 10/22 fills your need very nicely initially. Your wife and daughter also will have no problem with one. after that, go for what you are comfortable with. The ruger revolver is also bombproof, and allows you to shoot .38 wadcutters or semi wadcutters inexpensively to get the basics of handgun shooting down.
Ideally though, a .22 pistol again allows the basics of handgunning to be learned most inexpensively...and that is a skill that takes years to be truly proficient in. Have fun, be safe.
Hi. My suggestion will take a different track. The .22 is well proven as a "starter"gun for many reasons. Fun to shoot, cheap to shoot, inexpensive.
All of them mean you will shoot more often. The 10/22 is inexpensive, totally reliable with good ammo (I shoot nothing but CCI Mini Mags), and very compact for a rifle. As well, the magazine is super fast to load, far beating the tube feed of a Marlin. The rifle is compact enough to hold tight to the body in the enclosed area of a house. If you have no firearm now, the 10/22 fills your need very nicely initially. Your wife and daughter also will have no problem with one. after that, go for what you are comfortable with. The ruger revolver is also bombproof, and allows you to shoot .38 wadcutters or semi wadcutters inexpensively to get the basics of handgun shooting down.
Ideally though, a .22 pistol again allows the basics of handgunning to be learned most inexpensively...and that is a skill that takes years to be truly proficient in. Have fun, be safe.
Greybeard7
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As with any post asking for opinions, there are many, varied, and all have their points.
My opinion, worth what you pay for it, is a .357 Mag revolver. Before buying the SP101, (which I have never shot), I would recommend trying the Ruger GP100 with a 4" barrel. (As stated many times, solid as a brick and extremely reliable.)
IF you ever need to use it in defense, a revolver is the basic "point and click" interface. Loaded with .38 Specials it will be more comfortable for you, your wife and possibly your son. .38+Ps add another option if other family members aren't comfortable with .357 Mag ammunition in a defensive situation. Pistols require more care as it is easier to "sweep" the muzzle around, but are easier to wield in tight situations such as the home. It can also be carried when you go camping and is a reasonable self defense firearm for a variety of situations.
Another reason for this recommendation is that if you do continue with your interest and begin to shoot more, the ammunition cost of .38s or .357s will quickly make purchasing a 10/22 for practice more reasonable. If, once you have a firearm and shoot some, and your interest wanes, you will still have a viable defensive weapon if faced with an intrusion into your home. If your interest is sustained or grows, then you have a primary home defense revolver and the 10/22 to arm another family member.
If home defense is a consideration, and your interest grows, having another family member with the 10/22 becomes a real plus. Although the .22LR is not a "man stopper", 10 or 20 rounds going towards the bad guys along with a few .357 magnums creates a real hazardous workplace for a criminal.
This also would provide two firearms as opposed to just one, and more is always better.
I wish you much luck in your purchase, and many happy times at the range with your wife and son.
GB7
My opinion, worth what you pay for it, is a .357 Mag revolver. Before buying the SP101, (which I have never shot), I would recommend trying the Ruger GP100 with a 4" barrel. (As stated many times, solid as a brick and extremely reliable.)
IF you ever need to use it in defense, a revolver is the basic "point and click" interface. Loaded with .38 Specials it will be more comfortable for you, your wife and possibly your son. .38+Ps add another option if other family members aren't comfortable with .357 Mag ammunition in a defensive situation. Pistols require more care as it is easier to "sweep" the muzzle around, but are easier to wield in tight situations such as the home. It can also be carried when you go camping and is a reasonable self defense firearm for a variety of situations.
Another reason for this recommendation is that if you do continue with your interest and begin to shoot more, the ammunition cost of .38s or .357s will quickly make purchasing a 10/22 for practice more reasonable. If, once you have a firearm and shoot some, and your interest wanes, you will still have a viable defensive weapon if faced with an intrusion into your home. If your interest is sustained or grows, then you have a primary home defense revolver and the 10/22 to arm another family member.
If home defense is a consideration, and your interest grows, having another family member with the 10/22 becomes a real plus. Although the .22LR is not a "man stopper", 10 or 20 rounds going towards the bad guys along with a few .357 magnums creates a real hazardous workplace for a criminal.
This also would provide two firearms as opposed to just one, and more is always better.I wish you much luck in your purchase, and many happy times at the range with your wife and son.
GB7
sturmgewehr667
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if you have ever been shot in the face with an M1 garand, i'm sure you would rethink it's effectiveness for HD
i also listen an M1897, which not only has a bayonet lug, but it's a shotgun (the most popular choice for HD)
i also listen an M1897, which not only has a bayonet lug, but it's a shotgun (the most popular choice for HD)
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Well, I've never been shot in the face with anything other than an explosively expelled beverage following a particularly amusing yarn. But the conversation was about first guns.
sturmgewehr667
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yes, and a garand would be a good first gun
Greybeard7
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sturmgewehr667, I'm sure you have the best intentions and your advise is based on your experience.
However, based on the original posters question, and the fact that a wife and daughter are to be considered for using the recommended firearm, I disagree with your recommendation.
I have to agree that the M1 Garand is a superb MBR, and in it's day was the best infantry rifle in the world, but I don't believe that it is an appropriate tool for the OPs situation.
With all due respect, as good a weapon as it is, I don't think it is the most appropriate choice based on the requirements of the original question.
FWIW
GB7
However, based on the original posters question, and the fact that a wife and daughter are to be considered for using the recommended firearm, I disagree with your recommendation.
I have to agree that the M1 Garand is a superb MBR, and in it's day was the best infantry rifle in the world, but I don't believe that it is an appropriate tool for the OPs situation.
With all due respect, as good a weapon as it is, I don't think it is the most appropriate choice based on the requirements of the original question.
FWIW
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