MagnumDweeb
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Here in Florida you can take a class to apply for your CWP. Before I turned twenty one I paid for the class and the first weekend after I turned 21 I took it (got my first handgun when I turned twenty-one, my uncle was so happy to be remembered as they guy giving me my first handgun).
I took my class with a 'K' license Sheriff's Deputy, and it was shocking, oh I had read and researched plenty about the statutes and such but this guy went and said at one point in the class "you have the right to stomp out evil"...Well it was distinctly mentioned on the Department of Agriculture's website that you were not a cop, should undertake the stopping of crime, and to pretty much just be a civil and law abiding person who has a right(should trouble find you, not you find it) to defend themselves.
He went on about a couple local shootings, asked that if we lived in apartments not to blind fire or use FMJs and to get Magsafe or Glacier rounds and such. He went quickly over the statutes and told some horror stories.
And then we went and shot three rounds into a target and that was it.
Here's the problem though, you can't depend on legal advice of individuals who aren't source's of authority like a regular street cop or deputy. You can as I understand it, and don't quote me or take what I say as legal advice, only depend upon the opinions and advice of Chief's of police, Sheriffs, Attorney Generals, and the directors of groups like the FBI or ATF.
You can't depend upon some deputy who's behind isn't going to be on the line in court. There was an incident as I've been told by a police officer, I know (make sure you have plenty of grains of salt), where a guy took the class and after he got issued his permit he open carried and got busted, and the judge didn't care what his instructor told him.
I only bring all this up because I'm an NRA certified pistol instructor and when I try to explain that the courses I offer are primarily to learn how to safely and competently shoot targets, pieces of paper on a range, and that they are not CWP courses, people don't understand how they can use it to apply for a CWP. It's just how Florida has it I guess, I guess the legislature figured if someone understands that guns are dnagerous and should be stored and fired safely then those persons are competent to keep that gun on their person.
I've walked into ranges where they are advertising CWP courses and when I ask if they are using 'k' license guys I seem to get blank stares, and they only have NRA guys, but the NRA guys aren't teaching Personal Defense outside the home for the course, they are teaching the same courses I am, and that's a problem as I see it. Don't tell the public you are going to teach them law, and put them in a position to reasonably infer that you are going to teach them how to conceal their firearms and carry them properly, when you really aren't going to, oh they might share some 'wisdom' but these are not recognized experts (they are not Masad Ayoob), and if you wind up in court because of what someone tells you in the course, it doesn't matter one bit. One who is not a lawyer or in a judicially recognized position of power(Attorney General or Sherriff and such) should not be giving legal advice.
Okay that was my rant, I was at a buddy of mine's father's place of business and was handling a .460 S&W that had come in early that day, and my buddy ran his mouth to a few folks in the shop and I got all kinds of legal questions, uninformed based questions, and all sorts of inquiries into CCW, and when I politely mentioned that I was not a CWP instructor but only that taking one or two of the courses I offered and they went to the range with me at another time, that they could use the completion of the course and the certificate stating so, to apply for their CWP.
Well that didn't go over well, and now I'm just feeling livid. I tell them the truth and I'm the <expletive deleted>:banghead:.
I took my class with a 'K' license Sheriff's Deputy, and it was shocking, oh I had read and researched plenty about the statutes and such but this guy went and said at one point in the class "you have the right to stomp out evil"...Well it was distinctly mentioned on the Department of Agriculture's website that you were not a cop, should undertake the stopping of crime, and to pretty much just be a civil and law abiding person who has a right(should trouble find you, not you find it) to defend themselves.
He went on about a couple local shootings, asked that if we lived in apartments not to blind fire or use FMJs and to get Magsafe or Glacier rounds and such. He went quickly over the statutes and told some horror stories.
And then we went and shot three rounds into a target and that was it.
Here's the problem though, you can't depend on legal advice of individuals who aren't source's of authority like a regular street cop or deputy. You can as I understand it, and don't quote me or take what I say as legal advice, only depend upon the opinions and advice of Chief's of police, Sheriffs, Attorney Generals, and the directors of groups like the FBI or ATF.
You can't depend upon some deputy who's behind isn't going to be on the line in court. There was an incident as I've been told by a police officer, I know (make sure you have plenty of grains of salt), where a guy took the class and after he got issued his permit he open carried and got busted, and the judge didn't care what his instructor told him.
I only bring all this up because I'm an NRA certified pistol instructor and when I try to explain that the courses I offer are primarily to learn how to safely and competently shoot targets, pieces of paper on a range, and that they are not CWP courses, people don't understand how they can use it to apply for a CWP. It's just how Florida has it I guess, I guess the legislature figured if someone understands that guns are dnagerous and should be stored and fired safely then those persons are competent to keep that gun on their person.
I've walked into ranges where they are advertising CWP courses and when I ask if they are using 'k' license guys I seem to get blank stares, and they only have NRA guys, but the NRA guys aren't teaching Personal Defense outside the home for the course, they are teaching the same courses I am, and that's a problem as I see it. Don't tell the public you are going to teach them law, and put them in a position to reasonably infer that you are going to teach them how to conceal their firearms and carry them properly, when you really aren't going to, oh they might share some 'wisdom' but these are not recognized experts (they are not Masad Ayoob), and if you wind up in court because of what someone tells you in the course, it doesn't matter one bit. One who is not a lawyer or in a judicially recognized position of power(Attorney General or Sherriff and such) should not be giving legal advice.
Okay that was my rant, I was at a buddy of mine's father's place of business and was handling a .460 S&W that had come in early that day, and my buddy ran his mouth to a few folks in the shop and I got all kinds of legal questions, uninformed based questions, and all sorts of inquiries into CCW, and when I politely mentioned that I was not a CWP instructor but only that taking one or two of the courses I offered and they went to the range with me at another time, that they could use the completion of the course and the certificate stating so, to apply for their CWP.
Well that didn't go over well, and now I'm just feeling livid. I tell them the truth and I'm the <expletive deleted>:banghead:.