Stocked Pistol?

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tango2echo

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I have a relative who is older and likes to "tinker" in his workshop. He has a Ruger MK2 .22lr pistol with a 10" barrel. He has built a detachable buttstock for this pistol like some of the old Lugers from WW2 had. Is this modification legal? Is this now a "short barrelled rifle"?

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Yes, this is illegal. With less than a 16" barrel it is a SBR. I believe it is also illegal to create a rifle from a pistol with out submitting to the batfe but im not sure on that point. I'm confident it is illegal as described though.
 
Yup. He's in possession of an unregistered SBR. If I were you, I'd advise him to disassemble the rig and destroy the shoulder-stock portion entirely. If word were to somehow get out that he had such a thing, the ATF could very well argue constructive possession, if he still had the stock.
 
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ok ....
supposing you were in the process of making a stock like that, but it was not done.....
an ya already told a few more than a couple people about your ideas design you were in the process of making but also mentioned it was not done, do i stop working on it and leave it non functional an be ok, or do i gotta burn it up now? i only got about 4 bucks in it, but also i have about 10 hours with a wood rasp and hand file put into my project an really dont want to trash it yet.
 
Practically speaking, the police are more interested in traffic tickets that your woodworking project. But why keep it around if you know it's never gonna be useful and could get you into trouble?
 
Well, casually mention to the people you mentioned this to next time that you were mistaken and that your uncle was actually just buying a browning buckmark carbine.
 
If the overall length of said firearm was too short even with a 16" barrel its now an AOW, still illegal.
Tell him to keep the stock away from the pistol and not tell others about it.
 
Those 1911 stocks are perfectly fine as long as you follow the 16 inch barrel rule. 16 to 18 inch barrels are out there. I don't believe there is registration necessary to do this since it is done quite regularly and I've seen the carbine kits for sale at almost every gun show I've ever been to.
 
To build a "carbine" out of a 1911 you need:
1. Barrel at least 16"" long
2. Mainspring housing that allows a stock to be attached.
3. Stock.

As I understand ATF regs, to be COMPLETELY legal you must always attach the 16" barrel BEFORE attaching the stock. If you attach the stock to a 1911 without the 16" barrel in place, you have manufactured a "short barreled rifle". You have just broken the law and will spend years in jail and we'll make sure to mention your name on THR everytime this question comes up.:eek:

The overall length of the firearm must be at least 26" as well.
 
If it has a 10" barrel you've got an SBR. However the trigger housing on a MK2 is not a serialized part. The upper is. So with a 16" upper around you'd be OK. Just don't put the 10 inch upper on the stocked lower unless you take the stock off.
 
Heh-heh. I can put a Jeff Davis-designed shoulder stock on my repro 1860 Army blackpowder cap and ball revolver anytime I want.
 
They *really* should make exemptions for 22 caliber. You can have a 22 carbine all day long, or a 22 pistol, but who's gonna run around with a short 22 carbine and cause mayhem? Jeez louise.
 
Heh-heh. I can put a Jeff Davis-designed shoulder stock on my repro 1860 Army blackpowder cap and ball revolver anytime I want.

please elaborate....mine is an 1858 Remington (8"bbl) that i was building a stock for



i am currently using the kirst converter for 45 colt in it though



i measured it overall with the incomplete stock it is 30" if thats any help
 
they sell stocks on gun broker for the 1911

They sell M16 fire control parts too, doesn't mean it's legal to use them in the wrong manner.

You can't count on vendors to keep you out of legal trouble. What might be perfectly legal to sell might cause a BIG problem for the buyer.
 
They *really* should make exemptions for 22 caliber. You can have a 22 carbine all day long, or a 22 pistol, but who's gonna run around with a short 22 carbine and cause mayhem? Jeez louise.

While they're at it they should repeal the NFA.
 
Sorry slight derail

If you buy a mauser c96 that has a stock do you have to get a tax stamp or is it exempt because of age?
 
The Mauser C96 with an original German-made stock has been removed from the purview of the NFA, though it is still a handgun subject to the FFA.

Before making a shoulder stock for a pistol, contact BATFE. They once said that it was OK to make a 16+" barrel carbine from a pistol, but that you could never turn it back because that would be making a pistol out of a rifle, a no-no.

Jim
 
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