Ar pistol

A virgin receiver can be built into a pistol.

A pistol can later become a rifle.

A rifle can never become a pistol.

I am not sure if you build a pistol, then later turn it into a rifle, if it can ever be a pistol again.

A rifle can never become a pistol.

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My Thompson Center Pro Hunter can...

My Thompson Center Pro Hunter can...

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legally?

Actually that case applies to all firearms, not just that specific make and model.

Really? I was under the impression that that ruling only applied to the TC Contender.

Nope. Miranda didn't apply to only rape and robbery cases. It applies to all of them.

A reciever marked "pistol" can be made into either a pistol or rifle.
A reciever NOT marked pistol can only be a rifle.
Thats the law.

You are wrong. Show me the law.

Then you might want to ask your FFL inspector... Because thats what mine told me
and im going to take his word for it.

FFLs are not necessarily experts on gun laws.

ask your FFL inspector

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No but the ATF is...

Did I ever claim to be an expert?

Tell you what. Believe what you want to believe. If you can't stomach the truth from federal case law, then that is your loss.

I believe in Nov '08 there was an ATF ruling change in how AR lowers could be used and how they needed to be marked. Now any AR lower can be built into a pistol or rifle, they need not be marked pistol, and finally you need to be 21 to buy an AR lower now because they can be a pistol receiver. I have no link and don't care to find one but that is my understanding of they way things are now.

legally?

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The Thompson Center Encore is designed to convert back and forth. While I bought a TC Pro Hunter rifle in 500 S&W, the paperwork was run for a handgun. To convert I'd have to buy a pistol barrel and stock but it's all legal.

The version that I've heard is that it doesn't matter what the receiver is marked, but it must be declared as a pistol on the first 4473 that is ever filled out for it.

There have never been lower AR recievers marked PISTOL until just recently. The 4475 only resently had a change to designate recievers as pistol or rifle.
A lot of gray out there.
Older AR15 pistols do not have pistol engraved in the reciever.

RyanM is correct. Any reciever can be use for one but when you get your reciever it must have been logged in at the dealership as a pistol reciever. A pistol reciever can then be used to build a rifle but once it has been a rifle it can never go back to being a pistol.

In order for a SBR to be a SBR it must be fully assembled. It must have a sub-16 inch barrel AND shoulder stock attached at the same time. The ATF opinion that once a rifle always a rifle is flat out wrong. The ATF opinion is simply how they will enforce the law, but it is not law. Federal case law says contrary to the ATF and trumps any ruling or opinion or letter by that agency. In order for a SBR to be a SBR it must be fully assembled.

The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit reversed, holding that a short-barreled rifle "actually must be assembled" in order to be "made" within the meaning of the NFA. 924 F.2d 1041, 1043 (1991). The Court of Appeals expressly declined to follow the decision of the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in United States v. Drasen, 845 F.2d 731, cert. denied, 488 U. S. 909 (1988), which had held that an unassembled "complete parts kit" for a short-barreled rifle was in fact a short-barreled rifle for purposes of the NFA. We granted certiorari to resolve this conflict. 502 U. S. 807 (1991).

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now if we could just get this fricking state to follow the guidelines so we could actually own a sbr!

I built mine out of a Rock River receiver, and Model 1 parts kit. I did however make sure to have the FFL doing the transfer to mark the 4473, as pistol even though it was a stripped receiver...

I figure if the paper says pistol, it's a pistol, but spend the extra dough for a "pistol" marked receiver if it will ease your troubled mind.

Still 2 Many Choices!?

On the 4473 a receiver must be marked as other and the type is receiver/frame. You must be 21yo to transfer a firearm other than a rifle or shotgun. A receiver, frame, or pistol gripped shotgun is not a rifle or shotgun as defined, so these are Other Firearms. The 21yo is not something new, they just clarified it with the new 4473 and will be enforcing it at inspections.

Sure do

Heres an old pic...I built my pistol in 2004 after the "Assault weapons Ban" finally died, so there was no "other" box, or place to simply put "receiver", and I intended to make a pistol. So I had the FFL log the receiver as a pistol in the books... Legal and correct... I was a post Clinton Ban pioneer, as one of the first to own a non-nuetered, evil feature equipped AR-pistol in 10 years

Still 2 Many Choices!?