Sig Sauer sticks it to the commerical buyer...

Prices never go down on anything.

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What? Yeah they do.

This has shades of "Bill Ruger hates guns" type threads. SIG is being forced to ship their pistols with one magazine because the orders for magazines far outstrips the orders for pistols. They just don't have the capacity to make magazines as fast as they are wanted. Sounds simple to me. IIRC, everybody did this following the Stockton and McDonalds massacre's in California and during the months leading up to the Clinton ban. This is a reaction to the looming Obama ban. And isn't "Obama Ban" cooler to say than "Clinton ban". Heck, the word "Clinton" sounds like something you learned about in Health class.

Do After Marlket Mags Work Well in Sigs?

Do the after market Sig mags work reliably? Pro Mag, ACT, etc?

Are there any brands I should try to avoid? (a PM is OK if you do not prefer to post experiences here).

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How about calling it a "Profit Shortage" - that's more appropriate. Clearly a cost cutting move amidst a tough economy.

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This is incorrect. Gun manufacturers are one of the few bright spots in this economy. Profits are doing just fine.

Get a Revolver.

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Hey, if all the other fan boys are gonna come out, why not?

You gotta admit, this is a bit refreshing from the usual after 5 posts reading :
Get a Glock.

*snicker*


Use Enough Tacky

Get a Revolver.

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+1. I went and put money down on another S&W 442 sans lock today. Was thinking about the GP100 they had a couple of hours earlier, but it was gone when I got back.

But I don't WANT a revolver.

Do the after market Sig mags work reliably? Pro Mag, ACT, etc?

Are there any brands I should try to avoid? (a PM is OK if you do not prefer to post experiences here).

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ACT/Novak for the P220.

MecGars for the P226/228/229.

Colt tapered-lip hybrids for the GSR.

ProMags and TripleKs and National Mags should be universally regarded as junk until proven otherwise (because they usually are).

Thank you, thank you very much...

Its a catch-22. Really nothing they can do "right."

Lets say for example that SIG decided to stop shipping pistols until they had two mags to go with them. Folks are gonna whine about having to wait for their new pistol because of a $35 magazine.

Or they stop shipping individual magazines, because they need them for the guns they're selling. Folks are gonna whine because they cant get a $35 magazine without several hundred dollars worth of pistol.

If they sell the pistol with one mag, and include a mail in card so you can get another when they get caught up, folks are gonna while about having their name on "a list," or having to wait on their mag, or both.

Yeah, just one magazine sucks. But the gun will run with one magazine. You're not buying a car with three tires.

How about shipping with one mag and a coupon for either a mag when they become available or other gear?

They should just call it what it is - a price increase.

We need to come up with a SIG equivalent to the HK spoof "HK, because you suck and we hate you" phrase . . . . suggestions?!

I've gotten good deals on used 10 rd. factory magazines for the P228 I used to have, and I have to buy used mags for the P225 I have now, and I've never had problems with any of these used Sig factory magazines I've bought.

I recently was interested in picking up another SIG P226 at a local shop. It was used and the tag said comes with 4 mags all for $575.00. I was ready to flop down the cash when he brought the box over. I opened it up and it had one mag in the gun and the other 3 were for a lorcin .380. I looked at the guy and said what the heck did you grab the wrong box? No it turned out the guy who sold it to him traded it for another sig in stainless. So he threw in some crap mags and screwed the gun shop. Boy that doesn't happen to often someone getting over on a dealer. Needless to say he still has the gun and his lorcin mags.

This ranks right up with there with food manufacturers who are packing smaller amounts of materials and selling them for the same price as what was formerly offered in the original size: you see it all the time in products ranging from cereal to ice cream (one of the major food groups, by the way) to ... you name it. It's one way to beat the continued cost of inflation without raising prices.

Sig isn't the only gun dealer to do this, by the way. Walther has started it with at least the PPS model.

I have been waiting for many months for 10 round mags to become available for my P239 in 9mm. I finally received news that my backordered shipment was sent out yesterday.

This is really going to make me think twice before I buy another Sig. I have had no issues getting 17 round mags for my Glocks lately... for less money too.

Its a catch-22. Really nothing they can do "right."

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Forgive me if I am mistaken, but couldn't they just ramp up production a little to meet the growing demand? But I guess doing that would not fuel the paranoia-purchases the gun industry so greatly appreciates.

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but couldn't they just ramp up production a little to meet the growing demand? But I guess doing that would not fuel the paranoia-purchases the gun industry so greatly appreciates.

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Having worked in manufacturing for most of my adult life, and more 60 hour weeks than I care to remember, I know you can only ramp production up so much.

quit happy to find the M&P 40 I purchased came with 3 mags.
Le version.

so there. not a getta glock post.

Having worked in manufacturing for most of my adult life, and more 60 hour weeks than I care to remember, I know you can only ramp production up so much.

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Very true. And they are faced with a dilemma as are the AR manufacturers - make a long term capital investment to increase capacity in an environment where capital is scarce and legislative capriciousness may put you out of business?

Or run what they brung, as hard as they can and see what happens.

They are all doing the latter I believe.

If this goes on for years, they may look at expanding, but not for what may be a shortlived boom one way or another.

Sounds like a scam to get another $40 out of Sig buyer.

What are the chances of the price of a sig reflecting the lack of a spare mag?

What are the chances of the price of a sig reflecting the lack of a spare mag?

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I'd say slim to none. It is disturbing at best since Sig's are not the most affordable guns around in the first place. I don't mind that my Kel Tec only came with one mag... it only cost me $250. Considering Sigs hefty $800+ price tag, the single mag deal is pretty absurd.

While I assume that Mec-gar can sell the magazines individually for more than what Sig buys them for in bulk, I would also think that Sig would be one of their largest customers so a slight increase in the price Sig pays should be enough to persuade Mec-gar to ship more mags to Sig.

I just bought a new P220 last weekend and it came with three magazines. It also have the stamped steel slide and night sights. LOVING IT.

What are the chances of the price of a sig reflecting the lack of a spare mag?

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Not going to happen. The reality is you have a lot of factors going on here. It quite likely came down to two options for them: (1) raise the price of the pistol or (2) reduce the number of mags provided.

They went with option 2. If you prefer option 1, you can always add your own mags later for the same effect.

Personally, though I have at least 2 mags for MOST of my guns, I typically wouldn't need them. I usually only load up and use 1 mag at the range anyways, since I try to rotate guns when I'm there (ie, load up 3 mags - 1 each for 3 guns, and then shoot through each mag at 3 separate targets).

I just bought a new P220 last weekend and it came with three magazines. It also have the stamped steel slide and night sights. LOVING IT.

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Glad to hear it. From what I have seen on the shelves, the mag shortage is mostly over. All guns should come with 3 factory mags. 1 for the gun and 2 spares.

How about shipping with one mag and a coupon for either a mag when they become available or other gear?

They should just call it what it is - a price increase.

We need to come up with a SIG equivalent to the HK spoof "HK, because you suck and we hate you" phrase . . . . suggestions?!

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Exactly! If it were an actual shortage(and Im not buying it was) theyd include a coupon or lower prices accordingly, they didnt, its a price raise on an already overly expensive gun, and I LOVE SIGs