Glock Imperfection

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Sorry to say... but my only dislike for the Glock are the people who don't like the glock. HAH! :) (just kidding)

I think it looks cool! It feels good in MY hand and when you wrap your left index around the trigger guard, it prevents a lot of recoil.

I love the low weight and the fact that parts are readily available.

Also, WHO really gets a Glock to blow up using quality factory ammo??
No reloads allowed in my guns!
 
I've never seen a cop with a Glock

I am not saying that that is not true...I am sure you are being honest.

Have you seen a policemen since 1990?

The Glock is the most issued sidearm in the US and widely issued in Europe. Millions was being conservative.
 
Have I seen a police officer? Sure.

VA State Police www.vsp.state.va.us/history.shtm

1993 - "The Sig Sauer 9mm replaced the troublesome 10mm Smith and Wesson service pistols."

1997 - "The 9 mm Sig Sauer semiautomatic was replaced with the Sig Sauer .357 semiautomatic handgun because it was determined to be a balistically superior weapon."


And the last time I checked locally:

Henrico County - SIG 220

Chesterfield County - SIG 229 .40S&W

Richmond City - SIG 226 357SIG


I still think Glocks feel like a brick with a trigger, but to each their own.

John
 
A few agencies that issue the Glock

Australia: Royal Australian Air Force (Glock 19)
Australian Customs (Glock 17)
all Australian police services except the South Australian Police and Victoria Police.
A Glock 17 outfitted with a thumb safety was designed specifically for the Tasmania Police.
Austria: Austrian Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistole 80)
Belgium: Belgian police, Belgian State Security Service
Brazil: Federal Police Department (Glock 17, Glock 19, or Glock 26 according to agent preference)
Canada: Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority Police Service, Toronto.
Ecuador: National Police, various special police units such as the GOE and GIR.
Finland: Police and border guard.
Fiji: Tactical Response Unit
France: French Army - certain naval and parachute units of the (Glock 17)
Germany: GSG9 of the German Federal Police, Spezialeinsatzkommandos of several state police departments.
Hong Kong: Special Duties Unit, Hong Kong Police Force.
Iceland: Icelandic National Police, Víkingasveitin, ICRU.
India: Indian Army, Indian Police, special forces.
Indonesia: Indonesian Army Kopassus, Indonesian National Police Force, Detachment 88.
Iraq: Iraqi security forces.
Israel: military and paramilitary units (Yamam, Shayetet 13, Shabak).
Italy: Italian special forces - GIS, NOCS, "Col Moschin" Regiment, COMSUBIN, and Intelligence and State Security.
Latvia: Latvian Military (Glock 17), police.
Lithuania:Lithuanian Armed Forces (Glock 17)
Malaysia: Malaysian Armed Forces, numerous other military and law enforcement agencies (9mm Glock variants).
The Netherlands: Military of the Netherlands (Glock 17),[42] Dutch police (Glock 17).
New Zealand: New Zealand Police (Glock 17).
Norway: Norwegian Army (Glock 17).
Pakistan: Pakistan Army and Pakistan Air Force, PROVOST Units and Military Police.
Philippines: Philippine National Police, National Bureau of Investigation
Poland: Polish police,[44] Polish Military Police (Glock 17)
Romania: Issued to deployed and several special operations units.
Spain: Guardia Civil's UEI (Glock 17).
Sri Lanka: Sri Lanka Police.
South Korea: South Korean Army, Blue House Security (Glock 19).
Sweden: Swedish Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistol 88 and Glock 19 as Pistol 88B) Swedish Customs Service, Swedish Coast Guard.
United Kingdom: Specialist Firearms Command of the London Metropolitan Police Service
Police Service of Northern Ireland (Glock 17)
United States: FBI, Department of Treasury IRS Criminal Investigation Division], DEA, EPA Criminal Investigation Division, New York City Police Department, United States Marine Corps' official side arm (Glock-17)
 
I didn't really read the whole list of who issues Glocks, but I couldn't help but notice that you listed it as the "United States Marine Corps' official side arm"? I would have to say that I have never seen a Marine with anything other than a 92F, even the pistol team shoots hi-speed 92's. Except, I did see a full bird with a 1911 once though. I like the Glocks, and think they are one of the best "bang for the buck" pistols out there, but I don't think that how many departments issue them is really that great a measure of a guns quality, reliability, etc. At least in local police departments around me, the guys who decide what the cops on the street get are generally, well, not that qualified to make that decision (it was really hard to not type "idiots"). Once a weapon meets certain minimum requirements, a host of other factors (political, price, and kickback type) enter into the picture of what gets bought.
 
Glocks are not perfect because nothing on this planet is perfect, but Glocks are very well made and I can trust me life with one. Those 1911's are scrap in my opinion and not sure why people like those over priced guns so much.

Amazing how some people always mention the safeties on guns...bla bla. The shooter is the safety mechanism. If any shooter solely depend on the gun's safety mechanisms, they shouldn't own a gun at all..
 
The dead horse has requested that we stop beating him now

Borch...as I am not a dead horse whisperer like yourself I will defer to your expertise. I am just amazed that someone who claims to be a gun guy and wanders around
America can say things like I've never seen a cop with a Glock -- anywhere.
Or
Sigs and HKs pretty much rule the police roost.
Such naiveté kind of startled me into verbosity. Apologize to the cooling horse meat for me.
 
Uhhh...did you seriously say that 1911's are scrap? That is a very bold statement, I think you should form a new thread to debate the subject. I think it will be a very popular thread. Safeties are very important on firearms; it's not that people rely on them, it's another layer of redundancy on top of proper behavior with the firearm to prevent things happening like, say running a round down your leg if something contacts the trigger.
 
Like many here I own several pistols. These included a 5" S&W 1911, a 5" Colt Series 70, a HK P2sk, and a non-railed Sig P220. Lastly there is the Glocks. These included two G26's, a G17, and a G34.

I say this only to make it clear, that I have tried and owned many different pistols over the years. The ones above are what I currently own.

I like the all, but if forced, would pick the Glocks over the others. Beauty only goes so far.

The P2sk is a fine carry pistol, but overpriced for what you get. Both in initial price and magazine cost's. In a CCW/Night stand weapon, I want durability and reliability. A decent price doesn't hurt either. The Glocks have and do fulfill these requirements better than the others.
 
"The dead horse has requested that we stop beating him now."

Aw, come on, it's so much fun to poke sticks at the fan boys. :cool:

They can't fathom why the entire world doesn't agree with them.

John
 
Oh man, I'm late to the fray! :D
I love these threads because the ignorance is so entertaining....sad, but entertaining.

Instead of being drawn in, I'll say this:
If I were the dead horse everyone was beating, I'd request to be shot again - this time with a Glock...because the Sig/HK/1911/Berretta/etc obviously didn't do the job the first time! :neener:
 
I have no issue with Glocks. I have a friend who carries a Glock 23 and swears by it. It is a great gun, and he is very good with it. I love the capacity of the Glock, but that's where it stops for me.

I spent a long time researching and checking out a wide variety of firearms before choosing my carry gun, and while Glock was in the top 5, once I felt the S&W M&P, it just was no contest.

IMO, Glock might be perfection, but if it is, it is by an older standard. If Glock wants to keep that rep, they need to update the product line, because the M&P and XD lines are superior IMO.

BTW, all the local cops I know carry Glocks, but our troopers have all moved to the M&P.
 
Guillermo: "I am not saying that that is not true...I am sure you are being honest. Have you seen a policemen since 1990?"

See 'em all the time, weekly and sometimes daily, on the beat and in court. Local PD wear .40 Sigs, Maine State Troopers wear HK45s (swapped their Beretta 92FSs for them a few years back, the fools). Maine Fish and Game Wardens wear .357 Sigs. Going back to a dozen years ago, all Maryland cops carried Beretta 92FSs (not surprising, as they were made in Accoceek). Going back further than that, IL and Chicago cops carried a variety of arms, none of which included Glocks. I've seen cops in plenty of other states over the years, again, none of whom carried a Glock. Doesn't mean a few poor, ill-served cops in poor jurisdictions don't take the practically free plastic gun offered them, but I've yet to see it.

"The Glock is the most issued sidearm in the US and widely issued in Europe. Millions was being conservative."

Horse apples. The Beretta 92FS is the issue pistol of the United States Armed Forces. Several other pistols are issued in very small quantities, and Glocks are not among them, despite your bizarre claim in another post that the Marines carry them. And I'll be sure to stay out of the way of the "Fiji Tactical Response Unit" you cite. As to "millions being conservative," is this a joke? Do you think billions of Americans carry Glocks? No American soldier carries a Glock, and if more than a few thousand cops do, I'd be surprised.
 
GLOCK is:

Reliable
Easy to use
Convenient shape to the slide and frame
Universal operation
Easy to obtain magazines
Accurate

GLOCK is also:

Dirtier than some other semiautomatics.
Nonusable with cast bullets
Has bad ergonomics (easily fixed with a grip reduction or light sanding, easy to do)

GLOCK is not:

Enjoyable to shoot.
Stable when firing rapidly (in terms of the plastic flexing)
For everyone.

But it's for me. After getting an aftermarket barrel, Heinie sights, carry melt, and Robar steel frame, my Glock 19 is one of the best guns that I own.
 
Duke...You are right...nobody carries Glocks in US Law Enforcement.

Thank you SOOOO much for setting me straight. And thank you for showing Guns Magazine for the smut peddlers that they are. It is hard to imagine how that can get away with such wild claims.

Since you are so smart, please get in touch with Guns Magazine and tell them that Glock are REALLY not the most issued weapon in policedom.

Tell them how you know so much more than they do. Please mention about how FBI, Treasury and DEA as well as New York City Police Department lie when they claim to issue Glocks. (I am not in the know, what do they REALLY issue?)

Please mention that the 30 world wide police agencies and military that were named earlier only have a couple of members.

It is really amazing that Glock shows a profit since they have no law enforcement sales. All they have is press clipping CLAIMING that they sell more to police. What moron would believe that since YOU say it isn't true. Certainly not me.

Gaston should send me a thank you note since I am the only guy who bought one, and it was second hand!

Thanks again wise one
 
Guillermo: "Thanks again wise one"

You're welcome.

Even taking those thirty agencies you cite -- the Marines, among others, are a false claim (so is the FBI), and many of your other claims are to limited, optional carry -- I'm not exactly bowled over by the Fiji Tactical Response Unit's Glocks compared to, say, the United States Army's Berettas.

I don't read "Guns" magazine, nor would I care about or trust anything printed therein.

As I've stated before, I'm not claiming that a few thousand poor cops somewhere don't carry one of those freebie Glocks; only that I've never seen it happen and that I've seen a lot of cops carrying other, superior weapons.
 
While you are calling people like the FBI and telling them that they are liars...please include the DefRev

United States Marine Corps (USMC) has purchased 10,000 Glock 37 (G37) pistols. The pistols have already been delivered, and the Marines have had them for two months, now.

When you are done...you can work on that rumor about Ford being the best selling pickup truck...freakin liars...only 2 guys in Tucaloosa drive em...right oh sage one?
 
You got that quote from Tony Rogers.

Silly, unconfirmed rumor (Roger's term) from 2004, and totally false:

http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/glock_37_usmc.htm

This is HUGE. DefRev has just received information from one of its sources that the United States Marine Corps (USMC) has purchased 10,000 Glock 37 (G37) pistols. According to our source, the pistols have already been delivered, and the Marines have had them for two months, now.

This is staggering news. Just staggering, particularly with respect to what it implies regarding the G37 pistol/.45 GAP cartridge combo's initial development and what the future holds for it.

The source concured with DefRev's supossition/assertion (of the possibility) that perhaps the G37 pistol/.45 GAP cartridge combo/package was, in fact, designed/developed from the get-go specifically for the purpose of landing large U.S. military contracts. Understand that DefRev, as yet, has no proof of this. Right now, it's just conjecture. However, both the USMC and U.S. Army have been searching for a replacement for the Beretta 92F for quite some time now, and it looks like the Marines are the first to find it. If that's the case, DefRev would not be suprised if the U.S. Army followed suit, and ordered G37's by the hundreds-of-thousands in the not-too-distant future.

DefRev is guessing that the idea of .45 ACP performance out of a 9mm/.40-sized platform was very appealing for them (USMC). According to our source, the USMC's purchase decision also had to do with a desire to equip Marines with a pistol round that can't be fired in enemy weapons, which implies that one of the conditions for the U.S. military purchase will be restricted, or even prohibited, sales/distribution of .45 GAP ammunition (and thus, pistols) in other countries. Again, DefRev doesn't have any confirmation of this. This is just conjecture, at this point.

DefRev got a chance to fire the Glock 37 pistol last year at SWAT Round-Up 2003, and came away very impressed with it. We were particularly surprised by the contollability of the pistol/round combo. DefRev has video of the G37 being handled and fired at the Round-Up. We'll try to make it available to our readers, soon.

The .45 GAP round is designed to provide equal to superior ballistic/terminal performance to the .45 ACP, while utilizing a shorter cartridge case that can operate in a smaller and lighter weapon platform. The G37 is essentially the same size as a G17/G22. The compact version of the G37, the Glock 38 (G38), is supposed to be on its way. That's actually the one I'm waiting for, since my daily carry (CCW) gun is a G19.

By the way, DefRev has also heard rumors that the .45 GAP could/may become a law enforcement-only round, although we currently don't give these rumors any credence, since there's absolutely no evidence to support them. DefRev doesn't yet know whether or not Glock, Inc. has even considered cutting off civilian sales of it's .45 GAP pistols and ammo inside the U.S. At this point, we don't think they would do that. We certainly hope not, anyway.

DefRev definitely can't blame the Marines for going with the Glock 37 and .45 GAP round. It's an impressive combo/package, both in the hand and on paper. Personally, I'm just waiting for my G38
 
I owned a Glock once - I ended up throwing it in the river. It was so ugly it reminded me of my first girlfriend. That memory was just too much to tolerate. I finally learned that life is too short to spend it with an ugly woman or an ugly personal defense weapon. (I would have thrown the girlfriend in with the Glock, but they frown on things like that around here.

(Now, to be fair, I have to admit they both functioned well for the purpose for which they were built. However, they were both acquired second hand. The current girlfriend still asks why I would throw away a perfectly good gun. I haven't the heart to tell her.)
 
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