Burger king, in Miami, Concealed permit holder kills 1 , and is wounded, afternoon stikup attempt on Biscane Blvd in Miami. He was wounded and is in the hospital, 1 Badguy is still on the loose. Police confirmed, that there would have been a greater loss of life if this hero hadn't done what he done. Chalk up another for the good guys.
Good Samaratan, CCW, takes out Bad Guy FL
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Wonder if Buger King is going to pay his medical bills?
Depending on where he was shot this guy is going to have medical difficulties the rest of his life. Is BK going to compensate that?
All this over what, Twenty dollars in the register ?
Wonder if being a "sheep dawg" was worth it?
Depending on where he was shot this guy is going to have medical difficulties the rest of his life. Is BK going to compensate that?
All this over what, Twenty dollars in the register ?
Wonder if being a "sheep dawg" was worth it?
XavierBreath
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I don't think we have enough information yet to make any snap judgements.
When the good guy gets shot, we usually start looking for what he did wrong, not wanting to repeat the same mistake ourselves. The truth is, even when you do everything right, you can still have your luck run dry and get shot.
Hope the guy does OK.
When the good guy gets shot, we usually start looking for what he did wrong, not wanting to repeat the same mistake ourselves. The truth is, even when you do everything right, you can still have your luck run dry and get shot.
Hope the guy does OK.
Vern Humphrey
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It isn't the money the robber steals, it's your life. You spend the rest of your life in fear and shame.
SpecialKalltheway
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I rather get shot doing the right thing than sit back and do nothing. Apathy of good-men is just as much of an evil as the bad-mans actions.
Suicide*Ride
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Wonder what would've happened had the CCW been OC'ing....
I think that is a call made only by the person themselves. There was a possibility of being shot just because he was there. The bottom line is that you survive the incident, whichever way you do so is a blessing in itself. I was lucky enough to never have been shot, but once you experience something like this guy did, you can bet that you will never put your life in someone elses hands. Just my two cents
Where does it say that? got any proof of this allegation?
The article doesn't mention more then one armed robber.
I think it's a little early to chalk one up for the good guys. We haven't got a clue what happened. Let's take a wait and see approach.
I wonder if the CCW holder still thinks it was a good idea to get involved?
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Doubtful.
You're right. He could have run, but evil is not overcome by running from it. It's cases like these that make BG's think twice before they do stupid things.
Seeing as the only person who died was the would be robber, I'd say yes.
You do realize you're on a PRO gun website, right?
SpecialKalltheway
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"I think that is a call made only by the person themselves."
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XavierBreath
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It looks as though there may have been more than one.
rainbowbob
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We don't have enough facts, but there may have been a lot more than money at stake. A BG comitting an armed robbery might be twitchy enough to start shooting without warning or provocation.
If I'm in immediate proximity, I think I'd be safer throwing lead in his direction ASAP - rather than just stand there hoping he doesn't shoot the clerk or me.
Never met a real criminal have you? Trust me, they don't think about things like that at all. If they actually thought about the danger they wouldn't do the crime at all. They think they will get away with it. Perhaps if that particular Burger King mounted the armed robber's head on a pike at the door with a sign warning potential armed robbers that was what awaited them, it might have some deterrent effect. Believe me, no one is sitting in the dark corners of the Miami underworld tonight thinking of giving up armed robbery as a way to make a living because of this incident.
Our hero, if he survives is in for a lifetime of high medical bills, pain, loss of income while he recovers and might even be sued by one of the bystanders for causing them mental anguish if some attorney thinks that there is money to be wrung out of his insurance company, or Burger King may make a corporate decision to post their properties nationwide if they are sued by any of the restaurant patrons. I can see the complaint now, Burger King didn't provide a safe environment for their employees and customers by allowing the public to carry weapons in their stores. Then the complaint will bring up the statistics that most armed robberies don't get violent if the victim cooperates.
This isn't Hollywood the "hero" isn't going to be all better after a comcerial break. GSWs can lead to Arthritis, Bursitis, Complications due to bone involvement , residual pain that can be life long decreased function in affected organs, possible gangrene and you could beat all that and sucumb to a nosocomial infection.
Plus our hero is about to be hit with tens ,if not hundreds, of thousands in medical bills that he will likely be paying on the rest of his life.
As well as the threat of possible retaliation from the dead guys freinds & family
Are progun & pro idiot synonamous?
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The dollar amount is not important, what is important is someone made a choice to point a gun at someone for personal gain. Nobody knew whether that was the start or end of it, whether he would fire it anyways or not. Whether he would be unhappy with the amount in the register and fire in response like here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZHJMeKDD4E
Or whether he would just fire anyways even when all demands were met as happens in over 10% of robbieries according to FBI stats.
Or even on accident leaving his finger on the trigger as he robs the clerk as in this video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=53ce794d97 (I couldn't find the original that is much clearer, but the guy was later caught and even said he fired the gun on accident. He seems surprised the gun went off in the video as well, and it was not in response to anything, and he did not shoot again.)
The robber pulls a gun, has his finger on the trigger and while in the process of pointing it at the head of the women he is robbing accidently discharges the firearm. Fortunately he just misses by mere inches. You can even see the muzzle blast move her hair.
You can find thousands of similar videos of those type of events online.
You never know if it is only over the money in the register, and what the outcome would have been. All you know is a criminal with a gun put innocent people's lives in danger and someone chose to stop him. I applaud him.
Even if criminals only kill around 10% of victims who comply, more people fighting back means fewer robberies and 10% of a lower number of robberies is a lower number of innocent complying people killed.
Nevermind the principle of not letting such people benefit through violent victimization.
Someone who gets away with one robbery will ususaly find the easy money addicting, and repeats the crime. Growing more confident and bolder each time, and thier success encouraging others to start doing the same type of things. So every successful robbery contributes to more victims and more killings in the future.
So just because you feel the risks and negative consequences outweigh getting involved does not mean his actions were not right for him.
Here is a couple of recent Florida stories where robbers shot clerks who complied with demands:
http://northwest2.tbo.com/content/2...county-authorities-compare-notes-3-robberies/
The dollar amount is not important, what is important is someone made a choice to point a gun at someone for personal gain. Nobody knew whether that was the start or end of it, whether he would fire it anyways or not. Whether he would be unhappy with the amount in the register and fire in response like here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZHJMeKDD4E
Or whether he would just fire anyways even when all demands were met as happens in over 10% of robbieries according to FBI stats.
Or even on accident leaving his finger on the trigger as he robs the clerk as in this video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=53ce794d97 (I couldn't find the original that is much clearer, but the guy was later caught and even said he fired the gun on accident. He seems surprised the gun went off in the video as well, and it was not in response to anything, and he did not shoot again.)
The robber pulls a gun, has his finger on the trigger and while in the process of pointing it at the head of the women he is robbing accidently discharges the firearm. Fortunately he just misses by mere inches. You can even see the muzzle blast move her hair.
You can find thousands of similar videos of those type of events online.
You never know if it is only over the money in the register, and what the outcome would have been. All you know is a criminal with a gun put innocent people's lives in danger and someone chose to stop him. I applaud him.
Even if criminals only kill around 10% of victims who comply, more people fighting back means fewer robberies and 10% of a lower number of robberies is a lower number of innocent complying people killed.
Nevermind the principle of not letting such people benefit through violent victimization.
Someone who gets away with one robbery will ususaly find the easy money addicting, and repeats the crime. Growing more confident and bolder each time, and thier success encouraging others to start doing the same type of things. So every successful robbery contributes to more victims and more killings in the future.
So just because you feel the risks and negative consequences outweigh getting involved does not mean his actions were not right for him.
Here is a couple of recent Florida stories where robbers shot clerks who complied with demands:
http://northwest2.tbo.com/content/2...county-authorities-compare-notes-3-robberies/
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18185479/detail.html
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbdunkin1129sbnov29,0,1060388.story
http://www.cfcrimeline.com/news.html
It is never just the money in the register at stake.
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Vern Humphrey
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Yet, oddly enough, as people like John Lott have shown, there is a negative correlation between citizens carrying guns and violent crime. As the one goes up, the other goes down.
Yes, it was up to the person there, It was his desicion, not anyone elses.
I won't judge him...he could of decided it wasn't worth it...an then after the robber got the money, he opened up an killed 13 people.....then there would be those who would say, "Why didn't that guy shoot when he had a chance, he waited toooooo long, whats the use of carring if your afraid to use it."
WHO can say what the outcome would of been....nobody...or how about this, the BG gets away with 10.00 an no one gets hurt...but now he is braver an next time, next week he does shoot an kill someone. Well I guess I'm judging now....I say good job to the samaritan.
I won't judge him...he could of decided it wasn't worth it...an then after the robber got the money, he opened up an killed 13 people.....then there would be those who would say, "Why didn't that guy shoot when he had a chance, he waited toooooo long, whats the use of carring if your afraid to use it."
WHO can say what the outcome would of been....nobody...or how about this, the BG gets away with 10.00 an no one gets hurt...but now he is braver an next time, next week he does shoot an kill someone. Well I guess I'm judging now....I say good job to the samaritan.
XavierBreath
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The video in this news report says "the search is on for the shooter."
Who knows what roles the paricipants played at this time? Only the participants themselves.
Who knows what roles the paricipants played at this time? Only the participants themselves.
rainbowbob
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Perhaps, Jeff - but there are plenty of statistics to refute that faulty notion. I'm not suggesting you believe that idea, and understand you are just pointing out one of the bad side-effects of getting involved in an incident like this.
If he was standing at the counter or close-by when it went down, he didn't get to choose whether he would be involved or not - he already was. The only choice left to him was how to respond. It sounds like he decided to take the initiative rather than allow the BG to decide their fates. That's a choice I would endorse.
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