Montana Dems do about face

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This is good to read in my opinion, that some dems are dropping the anti-gun issue. The article references AR15.com, meaning our forum discussions is actively affecting the decisions of our politicians and media...keep up the good work

From the associated press

Tester, Baucus leading charge against gun control
By MATT GOURAS of the Associated Press


HELENA - Two Montana Democrats are leading the charge against gun control - even helping force the military to continue selling surplus brass to gun aficionados who want cheaper ammunition.

U.S. Sens. Max Baucus and Jon Tester are not simply placating gun advocates with a vague promise to vote against gun control in Congress. They are forcing former political foes to recognize that Democrats could be their strongest allies while the party controls Washington, D.C.

It's creating uncertain bedfellows on an issue that wins or loses races in places like Montana.
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The pair have been taking the lead on issues that only the most ardent gun rights advocates were talking about. Just last week they joined Republican U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg of Montana to pressure the Defense Department in a move that is credited with overturning a short-lived brass ban.

“The letter sent by the Montana delegation had a major impact on the reversal of that decision, and for that gun owners all over the country are grateful,” said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.

The issue had created a firestorm on the Internet forums frequented by assault rifle fans and others, but was largely unknown outside those circles. The brass is important to gun aficionados who reload their own bullets or seek to buy cheaper ammunition from companies that purchase the surplus brass.

It was also Tester and Baucus who were among the first taking shots at an Obama administration statement in favor of renewing the assault rifle ban, telling their fellow Democrats to expect strong opposition.

The strong pro-gun moves are forcing the gun rights community to recognize that the key Democrats could be their strongest allies. Tester said the gun lobby knows it can trust him and Baucus - and gun-control Democrats know not to even bring up the issue.

“We are going to be an asset to them, no doubt about it,” said Tester. “We are going to do what we think is right, based on what we think is right, not what someone else in the Senate thinks is right or what our party thinks is right.”

The controversy over the brass ban was perhaps most closely tracked at ar15.com, a forum and community for assault rifle fans. The site's founder, Edward Avila of Rochester, N.Y., says cheap ammunition for reloading is important to people such as himself who frequently practice in order to be responsible gun owners.

He said the gun debate this year, where Democrats like Tester and Baucus are being outspoken, will be a learning experience for many.

“I think that as it's viewed, that it minimizes the separation between Republicans and Democrats,” Avila said. “It's good to see that representation from the Democrats.”

The alliance is not lost on gun control advocates.

“It's not like Democrats are automatically on one side and Republicans on the other. It can cut both ways,” said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. “It is still very frustrating to us.”

Just a couple weeks ago, gun advocates who reload their own ammunition were sent into a frenzy over a Defense Department decision to stop selling surplus bullet brass. Just about as quickly as groups such as the National Rifle Association could get involved so did Tester and Baucus - and the ban was quickly lifted.

“It's about living up to what is in the Constitution. It's a good document, it's gotten us to where we're at,” said Tester. “It would be the same thing if the government came out and limited our right to assemble.”

The Defense Department indicated earlier this month that it was suspending sales of selling surplus military small arms cartridges as it reviewed its impact on national security.

The military sold an average 300,000 to 500,000 pounds a month, according to one of the biggest buyers, Georgia Arms of Villa Rica, Georgia.

Baucus has old wounds in the gun control battle. He voted for gun control back in the early 1990s - and nearly lost his Senate seat in 1996. That campaign was so bitter that the Montana Shooting Sports Association ran an advertisement comparing Baucus to Hitler.

Things are different now. The author of that advertisement, MSSA founder Gary Marbut of Missoula, personally attended a ceremony last summer where the National Rifle Association gave Baucus its election year seal of approval.

And now Marbut is at the head of the line thanking Baucus and Tester for forcing the Defense Department to keep selling brass. Gun advocates worried the ban would have sent bullet prices way up.

“I'm really glad that Baucus and Tester got onto it,” Marbut said. “It's something they could do and look good to. That does not diminish the fact we appreciate how quickly they get involved.”

Baucus doesn't spend any time dwelling about the battles of the mid-1990s. The NRA now counts him as a solid ally, and Baucus embraces it.

Baucus said the military ban on surplus brass is an example of an administrative action that can hurt gun owners and lead to other issues.

“I think it's very important for us Westerners to be eternally diligent, to not let any daylight between Montanans and the Second Amendment,” Baucus said. “We have strongly held views about the Second Amendment, more so than other states - and we represent Montana and not those other states.”
 
“We are going to do what we think is right, based on what we think is right, not what someone else in the Senate thinks is right or what our party thinks is right.”
That's terrific, but I would be far more comfortable with this if they'd work within the party to get the retreaded gun control homilies out of the formal party plank.

THAT would be real progress.
 
I would be curious to know whether Baucus and Tester felt compelled to "lead the charge" due to a personal conviction and moral foundation, or did they simply receive a barrage of phone calls, letters, and emails from their constituents regarding the current rhetoric coming out of the BHO administration.
Why now? Why not last fall?
 
The bottom line is that this is Montana. Supporting gun control in any way, shape, or form is instant career suicide. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Montanans like their guns. They are a large part of our culture and our daily lives. Not only is hunting a big deal here among locals and among the tourist industry, but Montanans in general like their privacy and like to be left alone. We are a big fan of live and let live, and with gun control as everything else, attempts by the State or Feds to invade our lives are frowned upon heavily.

As a result, our Dems tend to be more conservative than the liberals in most states. Even as a blue state, that means whether through personal conviction or political awareness, gun control is a hot topic. Don't touch it or you will be burned...
 
Two Montana Democrats are leading the charge against gun control - even helping force the military to continue selling surplus brass to gun aficionados who want cheaper ammunition.

Guess they must want to keep their jobs.:D
 
I'll reply to that the same way I said it in my thank-you note to Jim Matheson. (D) UT

"I don't support your party. I don't support it's positions on many issues. I don't like that you are in the house majority. But as long as you faithfully support my Second Amendment rights, I will continue to support you."
 
Max DID vote For the AWB in 1994 and Survived Reelection, I will Always watch him Closley.....

I think that this is a hotter topic than it was in the early 90's and they probably know that. They might not survive this time.
 
MTmillitiaman.... "If they were even associated with gun control at any point in their career, they wouldn't be in office right now. That is a fact... "

WRONG!

Baucus voted for the Clinton "assault weapons ban", for gun free school zones, for closing gun show loopholes... Walking down the road and waving at traffic goes a long way in Montana! Baucus has now claimed to understand the issue, and I hope he has because he and Tester may have to fillibuster WITH THE REPUBLICANS to stop gun control in the senate...

We'll see. I hope they mean it!
 
I was barely twelve years old then so excuse me if I can't remember that far back.

Plus, I've never voted for him and don't intend to start now, so I've done about as much as I can do.
 
MTmillitiaman.... "If they were even associated with gun control at any point in their career, they wouldn't be in office right now. That is a fact... "

WRONG!

Baucus voted for the Clinton "assault weapons ban", for gun free school zones, for closing gun show loopholes... Walking down the road and waving at traffic goes a long way in Montana! Baucus has now claimed to understand the issue, and I hope he has because he and Tester may have to fillibuster WITH THE REPUBLICANS to stop gun control in the senate...

RIGHT --MAX Voted with Billy Klinton -- We forced a recall on him and he managed to survive ---It cost him so much money he almost lost the next election --- CALL IT A COMMING TO JESUS MOMENT!!! He got his education -- Im sure hes filled testor in On how it works !!!!
 
AW Ban

His original position is stated in the article.

Baucus has old wounds in the gun control battle. He voted for gun control back in the early 1990s - and nearly lost his Senate seat in 1996. That campaign was so bitter that the Montana Shooting Sports Association ran an advertisement comparing Baucus to Hitler.
 
Fella's;

Tester has never advocated any sort of gun control that I'm aware of, therefore I don't think the "about face" remark applies to him. However, he's to be closely watched for the following reason. He fought an extremely expensive campaign against the incumbent sentator Conrad Burns, a republican, to gain his senatorial seat. And, I might add, the dirtiest campaign I've seen in the several decades that I've been paying attention to politics. John did not finance that campaign himself. He is reputed to have accepted massive funding, multiple millions of dollars, from the DNC to pay for the polling and press that got him the win.

Therefore, I think it's certainly possible that the DNC will call that note due if push comes to shove. Something like surplus brass sales is an easy target, and an easy "A". Now if Tester's is the deciding vote in a new, permanent, AWB that the sitting president and his attorney general want to turn the screws on to get, well; Whatcha gonna do John?

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