Are HK's just as reliable as Glocks?

wow since when did glock earn the right to be in the same line as H&K.

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Exactly...and no I was not kidding in my earlier post. I am entitled to my opinion just as you are and all you see here is opinion.

Glock's are fine pistols. They aren't in the same league as HK's and I'm not a fanboy.

The MR556 will end up being the best AR ever produced by a pretty wide margin.

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So with the MR556, HK figured out how to fix the crappy accuracy of the HK416? If I wanted a 4-5 MOA carbine, I could get an AK with a whole lot less fuss than a 416 . . .

Glock's are fine pistols. They aren't in the same league as HK's

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I'll drink to that

So with the MR556, HK figured out how to fix the crappy accuracy of the HK416? If I wanted a 4-5 MOA carbine, I could get an AK with a whole lot less fuss than a 416 . . .

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sorry to derail the topic a bit.. but.

do you honestly believe just one second that norway would accept the HK416 as new service rifle if it would be a 5MOA Rifle?
where is the actual prove for that statement?

on the other hand, in europe the civi version of the HK416 is allready on sale, called the MR223 and i never heard from someone that the accuracy of those is crappy.

here the finaly conclusion of the german "Visier" gunmag, a actual good mag with little bias:

HK has presented its best civilian rifle, possibly the best semi-automatic rifle in its history, a quantum leap compared to SL6 and SL8, amongst the top in the world. However, there is "no relation" when it comes to value for money with a price of 2749 Euro.

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So with the MR556, HK figured out how to fix the crappy accuracy of the HK416? If I wanted a 4-5 MOA carbine, I could get an AK with a whole lot less fuss than a 416 . . .

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Yeah, HK is well known for not knowing how to make accurate combat rifles!

Give me a break and show me the proof behind that statement. HK is known for the accuracy and utter reliability of all of their weapons, Rifles & Pistols. They're used successfully all over the world.

The accuracy of the piston-driven MRP is also on par with the hammer-forged barrel on the HK416. We shot prone from 100 yards, using a Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 2.5-8X36 scope with illuminated mil-dot mounted to an American Defense Manufacturing 30mm quick detachable mount. Both guns shot a 1-2 MOA group with Hornady 75gr TAP 5.56mm ammo, and about 2-3 MOA with Lake City M855 ball and M193 ammo.

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False. For example, the 10 man group I worked last year from a regional tactical team, had a mix of weapons from their depts. During the 12 weeks, two guns went down, one total FUBAR. Those two were Glocks. No Sigs, no 1911s, went down. I know an entire mid sized PD that went from Glock to Sig due to all the troubles they were having with Glocks, etc.

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I'm sure someone could say the exact opposite. I have never seen a Glock fail at any range or competition I've been to; never. However, I've seen Sigs, HK's, 1911, Kahrs, S&W's, and Beretta's fail. I'm a Glocker for life.

I've never had a failure or issue with my HK USP Compact 9mm. I still bought a glock 26 recently. I've only shot 150 rnds with the glock, but no malfunctions on either so far. I've had about 1000 rounds through the Hk so far.

Yes but they are more expensive. I know, I know...not a very useful analysis but given the premise of the thread its all I can offer.

No other semi is more reliable as a Glock assuming you read and follow the instructions in the owners manual. the reasons are simple.
1. Extremely over built extractor.
2. Captured recoil spring.
3. Built very loosely.
4. Fewer contact/lube points.
5. Oversize chamber.
6. Heavy feed ramp.
7. Large ejector.
8. Large rectangular firing pin.
9. Tenifer anti-corrosion coating.
10.Safe action trigger automatically deactivates all safeties.

before i convert to carry a glock 30 daily, i was carrying a usp full size,, i own 3 usp,, the diffence is sa verus da/sa, or many other action variations from hk that glock does not, also my glock 21 mags fit the glock 30,, hk compact usp has a differnt mag than the full size usp, crimson trace grips for the glock none for the hk,, glock - good service,, hk service just plan sucks,, call hk with simple question and u will find out,,, this is a good thread,, good posts

I never had a HK ... maybe I should get one and try it out






















... and become an obnoxious fanboi

These comparisons are helpful, but every time I read one I go out and buy another gun. Are these threads started by gun store owners?

nothing wrong with a Glock(have had a 23 for close to 20 years).......I just happen to much prefer HK's, be it a UPS, P7, P9s or whatever, of my 10+ USP's and 10 or 1000's of rds, never had ONE issue with them. I certainly dont have that much time or rds thru my G23 so its not fair.

but I am also a died in the wool wheelgun guy as well

Same behavior as glock people, or 1911 people, or CZ people.

Because every pistol is the most reliable, 2moa at 50 yards ect ect if you love it enough.

HK fan here as well. Glocks have their place in the world, even as the Toyota Camry does. Different strokes, different folks.

ScaryH22A,

Several of my friends and I did some light testing on a Glock 21SF, HK USP Tactical 45acp, and a S&W M&P 40 service model. It wasnt anything serious or scientific, just dirt , mud, top soil, and play sand. In the end, the Glock and the S&W were the only ones that were running without malfuctions. The HK was having failures to fire due to the sand impeding the hammer and keeping it from striking the firing pin. The HK was also stovepiping spent rounds.
Like I said , that was just our test. I think Larry Vickers did a test on the HK and Glock as well and the results were opposite.....so your YMMV.
A SA GI 1911 and a Sig P220 also failed this same test as well. A different Glock 21SF was entered in with the 1911 and the Sig. The end results were the same. The Glock was the only one that continued shooting without malfunctions.

What does this prove ? Nothing.....but I had fun and learn what it took to make certain pistols stop working. HKs are great pistols for the most part. I have owned a few and never had any issues with them. I have owned a slew of Glocks and I have never had a problem from them either. I prefer a Glock for the price and the fact that they can be fully disassembled by the user.

I'll agree with those of you that say Glock isn't in the same league as H&K. I've owned two Glock 19s, a 27, and my little brother has a 26. I've owned several other brands too, but after I bought my first H&K (a USP.40c) I sold all my Glocks. Besides my Ruger LCP, H&K is the only polymer pistol brand I see myself buying from now on.

One of my Glock 19s stovepiped all the time. My girlfriend had 2 stovepipes with it and I thought it was because of a weak grip/limp-wristing, but then it started happening to me. My first 19, however, performed just fine and was great for the 300 rounds or so before I sold it. My brother recently took his 26 out and he told me it stovepiped on him. I can't trust a Glock to work if I had to shoot it one-handed or while it was close to my body. In other words if I didn't have a perfect grip on it, I wouldn't trust it in a serious situation. Then there's the lack of a fully supported chamber on the .40s&w models...

They are great guns for the money, if you can shoot them well. IMHO though H&Ks are simply better, more accurate, and more reliable handguns. I've shot thousands of rounds through my USP.40c and my P2000sk 9mm without a single failure. Literally not even the slightest hiccup of a problem. I just cant say the same about my Glocks.

One note from a comment above, Tenifer is NOT a coating, it is a metal treatment process.

Both guns a great, HK happens to be my favorite because I can definitely see the difference in attention to detail, and quality of workmanship.

I own both, but when it counts I grab the HK every time.

was just thinking, my buddy has been selling HK's since the 70's as well as most other brands. He has TONS of spare parts after all those years, slides from busted glocks, sigs, etc etc........but not one slide off a HK

not that it proofs anything, just an observation.

also cant recall HK ever having a recall on any of the USP/P7 line, I know Glock has on at least the 40's

Yes...

I like Glocks, XDs, and HKs as much as the next guy. I think that they are all about equal in terms of reliability.

What I don't like are all of the "torture tests" that are circulating on the internet. Anybody could post whatever they want about how well a firearm performs under harsh conditions and nobody can really prove that they lied. Heck, I could say that I have a 10 year old GP100 with over 175,000 hot .357 rounds through it. I could say that and you really couldn't prove me wrong. It would be a lie, but some people might want to believe it. Before too long, people might start using my lie to justify buying a GP100 over a Smith or a Colt or whatever.

I don't doubt that Glocks, HKs, and XDs are great, but any gun company can pay anyone to come up with some BS torture test to sell guns. When someone posts a torture test, it sells guns. Let's say the torture tests are true. Even if they are, it doesn't mean that your gun will perform the same way. I personally don't care about the claims made in these "tests", because there are plenty of examples of these same guns having problems. If these guns have a hiccup, the defenders of that model will blame the person for limp wristing. In my mind a malfunction is a malfunction.

There was an unbiased test posted on the high road forum site where members of this site brought their own guns and shot hundreds of rounds through them to see which guns would malfunction first. If I remember correctly, the gun that won was a 1911. That surprised me a bit. There were several Glocks in this friendly contest. Some of them did well, but I recall that the worst performing gun in the test was a Glock. It mafunctioned something like 10 or so times during the test. So much for the torture test...

Do yourself a favor and don't believe everything you read.

I remember back in the 70's, when HK came out with the first plastic pistol - the HK VP70z.

They ran a television ad that showed a tank running over the VP70z and then the guy picked it up and shot his target 19 times.

Funny how I never forgot that commercial...

Accuracy

I think it's funny when people start arguing about which HANDGUN is the most accurate.

HANDGUNS are for emergencies you don't see coming...a total surprise. If you even have an inkling that the feces is about to hit the rotating oscillator you should be breaking out real firepower; rifles and shotguns.

Every major firearms manufacturer has developed many handguns, that, when used properly (by someone who can shoot), will put one or more bullets in a man-sized target at 10 yards (that's stretching the distance you should be shooting with a handgun unless the perp is a lunatic and is slinging lead everywhere).

The real issue is reliability; will that pistol feed, will if fire, will it extract and does it ever double feed (total failure to extract)? If the pistol is reliable then there's really no issue. After that it's just a dick measuring contest to see who paid the most for a totally defensive, short-range, inherently under-powered weapon.

Revolvers are another story altogether regarding reliability, but not accuracy.

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This thread is about reliability - not accuracy.

My own experience

I have been carrying an H&K P2000 dao pistol chambered for the .40 S&W cartridge for the past 3 1/2 years. My agency has been using both the GLOCK 17 in 9m.m. and the H&K P2000 in .40 caliber for a number of years and before that, we had a .40 S&W H&K Compact as off duty approved and then general issue.
I also carried both the GLOCK 17 and 19 on duty about a decade ago.

We recently had a problem with the H&K P2000 that has all of us required to clean our guns on a weekly basis, even if they were not fired. It seems that several H&K'S showed up at the range and were not able to be fired.
Examination showed that the H&K was suffering from corrosion and dirt build up. In the same enviorment, the GLOCK 17 has not suffered any problems. The one other issue gun, a .40 S&W BERETTA 96D Brigadier also did not suffer any reliability problems. However, the BERETTA has now been withdrawn from service.

The agency was shifting over to the H&K to replace all other issued guns and this problem has caused some concern.

In my own experience, the H&K is a reliable as the GLOCK, BUT-T-T-T-T and this is a big difference, I do not work in the same, harsh enviorment as the officers who had the problem. These officers work in a much filthier enviorment, while I usually work at indoor facilities.

It may be that the more tightly fitted H&K cannot equal the reliability of the GLOCK in harsh enviorments.
The GLOCK pistols have made a name for themselves in this.

On the other hand, I had a GLOCK 22 and sold it because of the recoil. The H&K, in my own experience, is much easier to shoot in .40 caliber than the GLOCK. I believe this is due to the H&K'S recoil buffer.
Also, the H&K appears to be marginally more accurate than the GLOCK.

It is also much more expensive than the GLOCK. Comparing police purchase prices, I believe that the GLOCK is about 1/3 rd lower priced than the H&K.

I have to carry the H&K while on duty. Off duty, I prefer either my WALTHER P-99, a BERETTA 92DCM model, both in 9m.m. or a 5 shot .38 Special revolver.

If given a choice between the GLOCK and H&K, I would go with the GLOCK 19 in 9m.m. and the H&K in .40 S&W if I had to carry a .40 and were limited in choice to just the GLOCK or H&K.

This is my experience with both guns and an observation of their use by my agency.

Jim

personally i believe that the h&k is just as reliable, however more expensive, and harder to get replacement parts for.