.357 lever action hunting rounds

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jgibbs

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Hey fellow reloaders!

I'm looking for information on how I can get a nice powerful round to shoot in a .357 lever action for hunting deer. I've heard reports that handloads for a .357 lever action carbine can have similar ballistics to a .30-30. What do I need to know before I start trying to replicate those results?

I know everyone may not agree with my use of a .357 for hunting, but if I limit my range and only take clear shots then it can be very humane.
 
Just pick a load out of any reloading manual using a 158, 170, or 180 grain JHP or JSP bullet.

In general, that will be a load using one of the slow Magnum powders like 2400, AA-#9, H-110, WW-296, etc.

Pretty much whatever load gives the most power in a handgun will also give the most power in a carbine.

rc
 
Use a tough slug like gold dots and XTPs in either 158 or 180, and a good charge of a slow powder like N110, 296, or 2400. Limit to a responsible range as you noted.

Good to go.
 
Hornady 158 grain XTP in either HollowPoints or better yet the XTP Flat Points would be a good deer bullet. I'd use Win 296, 2400, H110, or AA#9 powder using Hornady's data or Accurate Arms data. Velocity in a carbine should be 1500-1650 fps which isn't 30-30 but is enough for a white tail inside 100 yards.
 
I've heard reports that handloads for a .357 lever action carbine can have similar ballistics to a .30-30. What do I need to know before I start trying to replicate those results?

No 357 magnum load will approach 30-30 velocity and ft lbs levels by even the biggest stretch of the imagination.

rg1's advice is sound and is a resonable representation of what you can expect from top 357 carbine loads. I concur that the 158grn XTP fp is an excellent choice for carbine loads
 
I havent seen it mentioned but I have used IMR4227 for full house .357. Right now Im using H110. IMR4227 is a fast rifle powder that will work in magnum handgun loads
 
While it is true you can't reach 30-30 ballistics, there are those that will argue the .357 Carbine kills deer as well, due to the larger bullet diameter, and excellent bullet performance you get with the new breed of .357 JHP's now available.

Of course, that is only when range is limited to 75 yards or so.
Beyond that, pistol bullets lose velocity and performance very rapidly.

rc
 
The references to the .357 being near the foot pounds of energy all refer to the use of 180 grain bullets in the .357 Magnum Carbine vs. 150 grain bullets in the .30-30 Carbine. The foot pounds of energy are very similar when using ample doses of Hodgdon's Lil'Gun under the 180 grain bullets.

The 158 grain bullets in the .357 Magnum won't get near the 150 grain bullet in the .30-30 in energy, but will, and have, killed many, many deer. There are numerous postings on the Marlin Owners Forums about successful deer and hog hunts with the .357 Magnum Carbines.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
bullet choice

When loading for a 357mag rifle choice of bullet design can be important. The difference in velocity from a 8 3/8" revolver to a 18+" rifle is amazing. A factory load published as 1240 fps muzzle velocity is moving at 1830fps at 10 feet in front of the muzzle in tests I've made (22" barrel)

Not all bullets are up to this. Hornady publishes recommended velocities for the XTPs and the 158gr FLAT POINT is the only one shown in 38 cal at above 1800+fps. The 180gr shows 1000-1750.

I used to think that the 170-180gr bullets were a better choice for retained energy but I've switched to developing a load for a 158gr. Other manufactures have flat points in the 140 to 170gr range.

At 1800-2000fps the 158 gr has the energy for any shot I'm going to take with iron sights.

JK308
 
My best results with the .357mag in the 20"bbl carbines has been with either the Hornady 158gr XTP hollow and flat point, as well as the Remington 158gr JSP.

I've found that Hod. Lil"gun gives significantly more velocity than either H110/Win296 or #2400.

With 17.8gr of Hod. Lil'Gun, I get 2,100fps (using a small pistol magnum primer).

I only get 1,850 with 16.5gr H110, and 1,775 with 15.0gr #2400. (I use a standard primer with #2400.

Accuracy is potential of rifle/bullets. 1.5" 3-shot groups at 100yds are the norm with the Hornady's, and 2.5" with the Remy's........

Yes, under 100-125yds, it is the near equal of the .30/30. BTDT. Have the frozen venison to prove it...........

At longer ranges, the slightly higher velocities of the .30/30 combined with the significantly higher ballistic coefficients and sectional densities of the .30" bullets make the .30/30 unquestionably superior.
 
from the link posted above:

http://www.gunblast.com/Winchester-Ranger357.htm


As far as power, the .357 Magnum using the right ammunition is in the same class as a good .30-30 load, while shooting a bullet of larger diameter. From a sixteen-inch barrel, factory thirty-thirty ammunition from the big ammo manufacturers drives a 170 grain bullet at just under 1900 feet-per-second (fps). The .357 Ranger Compact, with the same length barrel, drives a 180 grain bullet in excess of 1800 fps, and this too is using factory ammunition available from Buffalo Bore. I tested the Ranger Compact over the chronograph using a variety of factory ammunition, along with two handloads, with the following results:

Load Velocity (fps)
Grizzly Cartridge Co. 180-grain cast lead 1502
Buffalo Bore 180-grain cast lead 1812
Cor-Bon .38 Special 125-grain Jaketed Hollowpoint 1437
Handload 125-grain Jacketed Hollowpoint 2003
Handload 180-grain Hornady XTP Hollowpoint 1831

The carbine extracts much more power from the .357 than is obtainable in a revolver. The reason for including the lightweight Cor-Bon hollowpoints I will get to later.

My favorite hunting handload is with the excellent Hornady 180 grain XTP bullet at over 1800 fps from the little carbine’s 16-inch barrel. Before the emails start flying in, no, I will not give out the exact load data for this handload, as I have not had it pressure tested. I will state however, that it is perfectly safe in my particular rifle. Extraction is easy, the primers are not flattened, and case head expansion is normal. I am using CCI 550 magnum pistol primers and Hodgdon Lil’Gun powder in this load. The XTP bullet really holds together well for deep penetration, but expands beautifully. When zeroed in at 125 yards, the bullet is only two and one-half inches below the point of aim at 150 yards, where it is still traveling 1360 fps. Out to 150 yards, the bullet is never more than two and one-half inches above or below the line of sight. This is where I would draw the line on range, especially for an inexperienced shooter, as the bullet drops almost one foot below line of sight at 200 yards. However, even with a flat shooting high velocity rifle cartridge, I would not encourage a young shooter to shoot any farther.

From Buffalo Bore http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100 :


5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!


1831 fps for an 180 grain bullet yields about 1340 ft-lbs (muzzle) to 840 ft-lbs (100 yards).

1851 fps for an 180 grain bullet yields about 1369 ft-lbs energy (muzzle) and 861 ft-lbs energy (100 yards).

While this may not match, or exceed a 30-30, keep in mind this is a 16" carbine used in the gunblast testing.
 
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