Is it considered high road to give anti's the cold shoulder?

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If'n an anti is giving me crap for owning guns or is completely misinformed, is it considered high road of me if I don't allllways explain and lay out all that I know? Why the RKBA is important? Why guns are necessary? Why I own guns? What will happen if we do away with guns?

Sometimes I feel like i'd rather not waste my breath on these people.

Is it High Road to simply give someone the cold shoulder and let them live in their bubble because I know it'll be a waste of time to present them with facts?
 
Don't ask me.

I am the guy that suggested to some Anti gals that they flip a coin to see whom dialed 911 and whom got raped.

Anti classmates, and we all had attended a performance, and they asked if me and mine would walk them to their car.

I said "no" and gave the suggestion I posted earlier and then turned around and walked off.

Anywho, they were on campus on Monday morning, and not real happy with me.

Except for one, after she got mad and all , she cried, and "why does gun control want me dead, or raped?

So this gal got into guns, RKBA, CCW and the whole bit.

Highroad?
I dunno, I was firm about it, still civil and polite.
I was fine with what I did, they were not real happy at the time. Then again they never asked if what they were doing as antis was highroad or not.


My time is better spent with Fence Sitters and Like kind about this responsible firearm stuff.

I do not appreciate some folks breathing my air anyway, so I really do not appreciate Antis, and some folks that have guns, but act like a forum is a hangout for day care, or armchair rangers, or mall ninjas or whatever.


Screw 'em. Feed 'em fish heads and rice.

Take a depth breath, ain't it nice not to worry about what folks think?
 
save their life with your gun. they will change. or offer for them to do some research on their own. people have changed their minds around me when it came to safety in situations. I don't even say I told you so, I just keep carrying. give it some time. Take them to the range, show them a good time. Instead of arguing with them about it, let them see the fun of it all.
 
Let me explain what happened...

I moved in with my girlfriend (it's her house) and she had her friend (shes 37 or 38 years old, btw) living with her. Her friend didn't pay any bills other than $40 for the cable "dvr" box thing, she is unemployed. I do pay my gf money for the bills and mortgage, every month. Anyways, we'd been living like this the last few months no problem. My gf's friend went and stayed with her mom about 2 weeks ago for a lil over a week because her mom was having surgery, It didn't matter to me one way or another. While she was gone, I began open carrying and when her friend came back, I was sitting on the couch with my revolver sitting next to me on the couch, pointed away from everyone (we'd just gotten home and my belt had broken so my holster wasn't holding up the 40oz+ revolver very well, that's the only reason I had it out of the holster).

The friend started asking why I had it out, I told her why, "My belt broke and the holster keeps sliding around back(to the 5 - 6 o'clock position) so I took it out and set it down because the kids were in bed". She shook her head and a few mins later asked if I left it sitting out all the time, I said "no, this is the first time, and it's only out because the kids are aslee and my belt broke". She shook her head and waits a few mins before asking "So you just leave it out so her (my gf) kids can play with it?", I told her again, "No, it's only out because it's too uncomfortable to wear it until I get another belt tomorrow". She shook her head some more and I went to bed (about 11pm at this time).

The friend leaves and the next day my GF gets a call from her ex husband and he starts giving her the 3rd degree about my guns and how i'm a irresponsible and arrogant gun owner (because I bought a 1967 Merc a few days before, the guy I bought it from was a cop and asked if I had a permit to carry which isnt necessary, i just told him it was registered and that was that) and he wants to make sure that the home is safe. Apparently the friend went and told him, or told another person who told him about my guns, where they were, what I had, etc.

I wasn't too happy about it.

The next day the friend tells my gf she doesn't want to come over anymore because all me and the friend did was fight, which we didn't, I have no idea why she said that. The day after that she says she doesn't want to come over because of my guns (I've had guns here since the beginning of the year, kept my 870 loaded for defense until I got my S&W 581 .357. But I don't think the friend knew this) and she doesn't feel safe. My gf tried to tell her about guns, but I told her "Forget it, don't waste your breath, let her believe what she wants, you think you're gonna convince her guns aren't evil after she ditched you because she saw my revolver ONCE?". I wasn't tryin to get involved, but this friend of my gf's said some very hurtful and out of line things to my GF that I cannot say on here. It's great having a very pro-rkba girlfriend.

The friend came and got her stuff today and left, me and gf aren't sad or anything. She doesn't believe the friend was a true friend, the friend made no attempt to stay friends and said nothing but "I'm leaving", "youre a bad mother", and "your bf is a psycho gun owner", even after my girlfriend wanted to stay friends, blah blah blah.

I offered to take her shooting months ago, and she scoffed at the idea of it. I occasionally told her stuff about guns as I learned it (self defense stories, legislation, etc), but she disregarded it and didn't care to hear it, so I just stopped telling her about the RKBA or anything related to it, long before she left.

Am I wrong for not pushing the subject harder? Not talking to her more about it? I had no desire to keep telling her about the 2nd amendment or anything. She's a simpleton and doesn't care to hear anything that may differ or object with her opinion and beliefs, so I made the choice to not waste my breath. Did I make any bad moves/choices? I never once told my girlfriend to kick her out or anything even remotely close to it, other than to let her believe what she wanted about guns, it was purely her choice to leave.
 
You did the right thing. Absolutely the right thing. You gave her multiple opportunities to prove that she is not an idiot. She failed every chance. She's not worth your breath or your time. Ignorant until proven stupid. She's proven stupid.
 
sounds like she was just trying to force her opinion on you huh? Good riddance then.
My response to her questions would have been "who pays the rent here? You? the guy with the revolver does, not the girl complaining to the guy with the revolver"
When I first got my piece I got friction from my dad and gf about carrying everywhere, and my response was "my house, my gun, my choice. I don't care if you don't like it, I want to be safe"
 
you are not wrong, well except for the fact that you didn't tell your girlfriend to kick the bad influence (the lazy, nonpaying, RKBA, idiot "friend") out. No reason the kids should have to be around such trash. :D
 
To answer the OP, I'd have to say: Giving the cold shoulder to antis is NOT high road.

The cold shoulder is just plain rude. It is very possible in our country to disagree with someone and not be rude. As strongly as we feel about our RKBA, and as strongly as I feel that it is most definitely NOT about hunting, the antis feel about the evils of firearms. You can't change that, but to deny that their emotion is not worth consideration is not American.

I think the High Road position is to, as always, be not only pro-active in the RKBA movement, but to always--ALWAYS--be an ambassador of firearms ownership. To be rude to an opposing point of view--and the cold shoulder routine is rude--is not an exemplary behavior.

We must be better than them. Let them scream and protest and hurl invective, while you calmly walk away, tip your hat, and politely offer "Beg pardon, ma'am. I just don't feel the same way. If you'll excuse me, I have a previous engagement"....and then be on your way.

If you have to think to yourself "...a previous engagement with rational, logical human beings!" that's fine. It's just not High Road (IMO) to give that impression.

Ambassador!
 
When I encounter an anti who is rude and goes on and on.
I just shoot them. laughing7.gif

After all, their not armed, so they can't defend themselves. Right? dontknow.gif
(The above is a joke, OK? I know how some of you are, especially you brain dead antis)...

Seriously though, and sadly, the only way a true staunch anti will ever 'get it' is:

a) When they are a victim of a violent crime (rape, assault, mad man on shooting spree, etc.)
and they realize they could of been ok and/or perhaps saved lives, had they had a gun.
b) When a tyrannical government's brain dead lap dogs begin to follow unconstitutional orders
and go door to door rounding people up for what ever reason.
(Flu epidemic, natural disaster and looters are in your hood,
martial law due to ___________________ reason, etc.)
Note: I feel most civil servants and/or military are smarter than that, but you never know.
c) If we were ever invaded by another country and a call to arms is sounded.
(Even then, don't expect your anti neighbors to apologize for their stupidity all these years
as they huddle close behind YOU for THEIR protection.

Now fence sitters.
That's a whole different ball of wax and I'm proud to say
I've converted many over the years.

Bottom line, people who are so closed minded are rarely worth the trouble to engage.
Usually you will know with-in moments if it's just a waste of your time or not.
 
Hello Post

When meeting someone who cannot be open to conversation, I like to take my father's approach. It's like talking to a fencepost.

Sorta like when Charlton Heston was talking to that "Court" in Planet of the Apes, they cover their ears to what they don't want to hear.
 
I try to not associate with such people. Oh wait, my mother and my sister are anti, and my father's wife is borderline anti (she just barely puts up with him owning a few guns). :(

Honestly, you're not going to convince them otherwise, so there isn't much point.
 
"Taking the high road" means not sinking to someone else's level.

Is giving an anti the cold sholder a civilized thing to do? Not really, but you're not taking 'the low road' by doing so.

Unless the person is open to new information, it's a waste of time and energy to explain anything. You'd have better luck convincing an afghani tribal warlord that women aren't livestock.
 
Her friend didn't pay any bills...

The friend came and got her stuff today and left, me and gf aren't sad or anything. She doesn't believe the friend was a true friend, the friend made no attempt to stay friends and said nothing but "I'm leaving", "youre a bad mother", and "your bf is a psycho gun owner", even after my girlfriend wanted to stay friends
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Good riddance.

Regarding the notion to avoid confrontations with irrational people, I advise it. I practice it as often as I possibly can.
 
My wifes best friends husband is a retired parole officer Who is an OBAMA supporter as is the wife. We get invited to there home often -as do several other asian american couples -Seems most times Jon has some antigun conversation saved up -He does his research well and has his ducks all in a row and will start the conversation with some little innocent remark -Or better yet ask a Question about some New gun restriction from me -And soon is debating me on gun rights . This guy is a selective gun banner-He loves all the anti gun elected officials . But dosent mind asking me to bring a shotgun to his place and shoot the Birds attacking is Honey bee hive.
No matter I cant convince him about gun rights Nor His wife.
I finally nailed him- If you parole guys would not have let all the criminals out on parole we would not have criminals shooting people..
SECOND-My boss is a Flaming Democrat -Obama supporter-Gun control supporter and all round Liberal- Our mom and pop hardware store is struggelling to survive-Getting killed by the Taxes -Regulations -Insurance -Osha-Workers comp-and All the rest of Lifes miseries -Yet hes blind as to why his store is suffering!! Ahhh NEW YORK Liberals at there best.
PS-> I take great joy showing him the green corodded carburators off our rental equipment and telling him its caused buy the New EPA approved gas we have to buy today for emission regs . ! passed by the Democrats>.
 
BhmBill - this 'friend' was and is a simpleton and a liar to boot. I wouldn't have wasted my breath on her. Such people are expendable from the gene pool in my opinion and so I whole-heartedly support their right to be defenceless.
 
Thank you, gentlemen.

I never did stoop to her level, I never ust flat out refused to read or look at anti-gun facts or listen to her friend complain about guns. I consider myself very open minded and will never "cover my ears" to anything, no matter how idiotic or asinine it is.

The friends mom even got on my GF's case when she said "What do you think your home is? the wild wild west?", insinuating that we just leave the guns out and are unsafe with the kids around. My gf (still heated from the friend and her ex hubby) told her "It's my right as an American to own guns and to show and teach my children about guns as I see fit", and some other stuff I can't remember, I'm not sure exactly what was said.

The friend kept accusing her of taking my side when she had actually never made the argument on my behalf, which actually made me very warm inside knowing my GF was so pro-RKBA that she didn't need my help to make a good pro-gun arugment
 
Pick yer battles.

If it's a rabid anti that is speaking in sound bite, just walk off laughing.

If it is someone that has been fed a diet of lies I start by asking questions and they'll walk the conversation through the talking points that can be debunked with facts. That makes it easy to get them to think a little.
 
Pick yer battles.

If it's a rabid anti that is speaking in sound bite, just walk off laughing.

If it is someone that has been fed a diet of lies I start by asking questions and they'll walk the conversation through the talking points that can be debunked with facts. That makes it easy to get them to think a little.
 
Generally, I don't bother talking to them unless they ask ME questions and I sense a genuine effort to learn something. Otherwise I just walk away.

I've told this story online before but it bears repeating. My wife was anti for 29 years. Accepted the fact that I owned and used but otherwise they were evil and would have been happier had they been banned. About a year ago I was rebuilding a 2A Ishapore to make it into a nice shooter (polishing/bluing, oil finishing stock, tuning magazines, strippers, trigger work, etc.) she had gotten used to seeing it in little pieces with springs and little screws and pieces of steel and hunks of wood and I would be sitting around my shop recutting screw slots or polishing little pieces of metal. When I was reassembling it one day near completion, she was hanging out in my shop talking to me and while I was reassembling from a bucket of parts I asked her a question that changed everything: "So, just curious, exactly which part is it that gives it a personality and makes it evil? Which screw or spring or pin? Just wondering." She thought for a minute and said "It's just a machine." The lightbulb went on. Last December I asked her why she never wanted to come to the range and just watch and hang out and she said "Well, I'm uncomfortable. No one ever showed me how to shoot and I'm afraid of them kicking." I said "No problem, we can do gun kindergarten 101 any time you want." And then told her some stories about my grandfather teaching me how to shoot at the age of 6 and all the little screw ups I made during my learning curve and how I started out as a little kid just carrying in rifles after he had been hunting while he was watching me like a hawk and how it went from there in baby steps. We started with the basic 4 rules and a day at the range with a .22 revolver and the matra: "FIRST do it safe, THEN do it accurate, THEN do it fast"

Well, now she owns a 6" Ruger GP100 that I have to struggle to keep enough reloads on hand for, wants to go to the range all the time, is slowly learning some combat shooting (going to get her a tactical light soon and start doing some low light practice-the guys at the indoor range know me and will let us leave the lights off if there is no one else there) and now wants to go to one of the clubs and see what trap shooting and skeet shooting is all about because it "looks like fun". And she shoots my Remington 513T at the rifle range because "it's no fun if I just sit around".

Moral: People CAN change. But only if they want to.

Now I have to run. Got to load up some hot magnums because she wants to compare them to her +P loads at 25 yards tonight. And after going to the range she wants to look to see how much a Bantam autoloader 20 ga. costs.
 
The typical far left liberal believes in the tolerance of other people's opinions as long as they don't disagree with their own. I believe that tolerance is accepting people despite differing opinions. I have friends that don't like guns and I still consider them friends. We have other things in common. If someone wants to intelligently debate an issue, I'm all in. But intelligent debate does not include ridicule or insults. In my mind, the first person to throw an insult loses the debate whether they think so or not.

To me, I think being polite and respectful of those that don't agree with me is taking the High Road. You are more likely to gain their respect by doing this. If you gain their respect, they are more likely to listen to you with an open mind.

If they want to hurl insults whenever your paths cross, that's a little bit different. Avoiding confrontation seems like the High Road approach then.

But that's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. :)
 
I run into antis a lot. If I think they're open to rational discussion (and some of them are) then we'll talk about it. I always invite them to come to the range with me. Those that do invariably have a good time, leatn how serious we are about safety, and lose the "all guns are evil" attitude. Then we can talk about the the right to self-defense and the 2nd Amendment.

I don't think we can afford to dismiss everyone who disagrees with us.
Some people are misguided, emotional, and haven't learned to think for themselves about guns.

I see correcting that in a calm and rational manner as part of being a gun-owner. I don't pretend we can turn everyone pro-gun, but we can often influence others not to infringe on our rights.

Tinpig
 
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