H&K VS colt

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but they seem to make no attempt to make products available to civilians.

That true, still not gonna happen anymore, we'll be in for a challenge keeping ours

threw a department for law enforcement, or i know someone that can buy one, or already does have one

I have no idea what that meant but I am guessing you are asking about the Colt 6290, LEO one are most likely Full auto and unattainable, You can get 6920's through dealers but expect to pay 1500+ right now,

Same with the 416 as far as I have seen all the 416 uppers are 10 1/2 in and SBR so that would require all the NFA festivities, and the lowers are FA so no go there,

Unless you are a LEO in which case I would ask your supervisor.
 
"May have just been bad QC on early production runs of the 416, or may be a problem they have the short barrel models."


I was gonna ask, what barrel length were you guys using? HK knows what they are doing, and I'm not saying that you are not truthful at all. I just know that a piston wouldn't make it any more innaccurate.
 
I have no idea what that meant but I am guessing you are asking about the Colt 6290, LEO one are most likely Full auto and unattainable, You can get 6920's through dealers but expect to pay 1500+ right now,

Same with the 416 as far as I have seen all the 416 uppers are 10 1/2 in and SBR so that would require all the NFA festivities, and the lowers are FA so no go there,

Unless you are a LEO in which case I would ask your supervisor.

+1 on that. I'd suggest a sig 556. It's a similar rifle, but much easier to get your hands on.

I just know that a piston wouldn't make it any more innaccurate.

1st, a piston can in fact make it more innaccurate. More vibrations/moving parts can easily cause a rifle to be slightly more inaccurate. That is one reason why the AR platform, in general, is more accurate than most other semi-autos.

2nd The piston isn't neccessarily the reason it is more inaccurate. HK may have other issues, but I've never heard of any.

3rd I've never shot one, so I really can't comment on it's accuracy.
 
For the entertainment of the HK fan boys, I'd point out that the 416s that were issued to the team guys at my last unit had trouble doing 4 MOA with green tip ammo at 100 meters (and generally printed groups around twice as large as a stock M4A1 with Mk 262 as well, though the groups were smaller). It may shoot in a mud puddle, but may not shoot where you want it to . . .

Dang. Sounds like a couple of my AKs can run with a HK416 in the accuracy department. 4 MOA? :what:
 
I got a chance on it .... its 2200 arg thats alot :uhoh:

Is this really worth it? i was expecting like 1600 tops :(
 
Any1 notice that they (the 416) and its twin the 417 (in 7.62 NATO) is going to b produced in the US? And it'll be civy legal to boot...now as for price I have no doubt it'll be cheap, but I think the accuracy and dependability will be there. From my experience HK has produced some outstanding firearms, and I have a tough time believing that 4MOA could be the norm, my HK USP .45 is better than that. ;)
 
Yeah right, HK is known around the world for producing rifles and pistols that aren't accurate and are unreliable.... Sarcasm mode off.
 
Well H&K certainly makes the most overrated guns in the world.

An open letter to the gun community from HK’s marketing department: In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards…But it doesn’t matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks… If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.
At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civilians. Because you suck, and we hate you.
Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn’t fit any accessories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn’t it? Yeah, you know you want one.And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don’t need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we’ve fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don’t believe us, it is because you aren’t a real operator.
By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you’re civilians, so we won’t sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you’ll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you’ll come back, you always do.
Buy our stuff.
Sincerely
HK Marketing DepartmentHK. Because you suck. And we hate you.
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

I'd rather have an AR-180.
 
I gave up on it ....
kind of a far cry but I will post up when i get my hk usp elite ... Thanks for all the info guys
 
Over rated by who??

The HK MP5 is the world standard for sub machine guns.
The HK PSG1 is the world standard sniper rifle.

You know, I'm not even going to bother arguing with someone who obviously knows very little.

The HK45 has the same mag release location as every other HK pistol line since the USP's were introduced. (They have a really hard time selling those now don't they.) -Right. If you'd ever shot one you'd know it is a very ergonomic magazine release system AND it is ambidextrous.

How many firearms companies are producing an AR with a gas piston today? Does Colt? They're the government contracted M4 provider aren't they? Don't even start to try to argue that the gas piston is no better than the standard direct system. Less heat and gunk ALWAYS results in better reliability and performance.

You're nothing but a troll and I'm sorry I reacted.
 
those kinds of tests mean absolutlely nothing.

to tell if a rifle is a worthy fighting weapon, all that needs be in order is the color of the extractor spring insert, and have the proper finish under the front sight base.
 
The MP5 is nice enough -- control layout isn't ideal, but it is definitely a huge improvement over open bolt stuff like the Uzi . . . for whatever that matters.

As far as the PSG-1 goes -- I've played with one we had in the arms room for familiarization training. The SR-25s our team guys had shot rings around them . . .
 
anyone notoice the water coming out of the butt of the hk? a stock colt does not have a hole drilled back the to lett the water "releave its self" does a stock hk have a hole back there?
Actually stock Colts DO have a hole on the buffer tube (carbines) / buttstock screw (rifle stocks, in which case the screw goes into the buffer tube). Companies that build AR-15s to lower standards don't always do this. Multiply the cost of drilling the hole, running the drill press, the and the man hours spent doing it across thousands of rifles built; and the cost cutting adds up. You have pointed out yet another flaw in the test though.
 
The HK MP5 is the world standard for sub machine guns.

The ergonomics on the MP5 are so bad that many users have to modify them or do dangerous things like run with the safety off. And submachine guns are last generations weapons and being relegated to the museums.

The HK PSG1 is the world standard sniper rifle.

By who's standards? Who has adopted it?

You know, I'm not even going to bother arguing with someone who obviously knows very little.

I know Horsesoldier's background. You I know nothing about. If you are going to say that someone who is currently a member of the US Army Special Forces knows very little, I think that you should post your personal bonafides here so that we all my judge what special background you have that gives you your expert knowledge. In fact you may notice that Moderator tag under my name, that means that your continued participation here is dependent upon your establishing your personal credentials. If you don't wish to post them publically, you may send them to me in a PM. But you will send them.

There are many members here at THR who actually have or currently do use these weapons for a living, and anyone calling someone out had better be able to back up his words.
 
That test seemed biased and unfair to me also. The standard AR didn't have to hole in to buffer tube to alleviate the pressurized water and he held it at a higher angle and didn't allow hardly as much time for it to drain before firing. The H&K416 barrel is Forged to prevent the barrel itself from exploding like a peeled banana but that would not prevent the receiver from splitting any more or less.
 
Moderator,

If you'd read the thread, you'd see my response was directed toward mgregg85 and the thread over on AR15.com, not your buddy, whom you appear very quick to defend.

Actually, to be completely correct, most of the response was toward whomever wrote that quote posted by mgregg85.

This site has known nothing about me since 2004 and it will remain that way. If there is suddenly a requirement to send "credentials" (whatever that means) to participate here. -Count me out.:)
 
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