Would this actually be an "effective" gun control measure?

....Personally, I don't want to have to jump through hoops to first get a permit to purchase and carry a pistol (CT) THEN get another one just to get ammunition for it...

Also, what about reloaders? Would you require the permit to purchase components? What would stop a blackmarket reloading ring?

Those are just two reasons I personally thought of.

Permits to purchase ammo make as much sense as permits to purchase firearms; that is, none whatsoever.


And in the end, it's still about people control, not gun or ammo control. That is a concept by which I cannot abide.

How would thugs get their bullets?

Reloading? Or possibly the same way they get guns, stealing them.

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Just like with guns, it's possible to MAKE ammunition from scratch, and from that point, it's merely a case of killing someone who has another gun or more ammo to ensure your own supply; guerilla groups have been doing this since the discovery of firearms, so what makes you think this would be any more effective now? I've handled guns and ammunition that were made entirely IN PRISON, and which would put a thumb-sized hole through anyone that they were fired at, so there's no way you're going to be able to put them back into Pandora's Box.

You're nuts!

how bout a permit to purchase a car,since cars kill more people in a year than guns do in ten!

Controlling who buys ammunition would only hinder hose so inclined to do things in a legal matter. If you really want to look at it, ammunition is a ery old technology and isnt difficult to make.
Besides, you can tell by the op that the poster thinks that gun control is an end. It isnt, it's a means to an end; and it is that end that worries me.

Reload, steal it, get somebody with a permit to buy it for them. There's so many ways to get it, and no law will stop people who break the law from getting it.

UUURRRRGGG here ,has the war on drugs, stop drugs from coming to America?

I was actually wondering about this along a different line recently.

Living in Illinois, we have the foid card and it is required to purchase any ammo. That doesn't work so well for keeping the knuckleheads from finding it as up until today, 53 Chicago Public School students have been shot since the first of the year. Not sure as to the total number of murders in the city of Daley?

I was wondering, where do they get their ammo? Especially since ammo is so tight right now? I am guessing that alot of it is purchased through "straw deals" and possibly through Indiana? Not trying to hijack your thread but it seems as this may be anecdotal proof that permits wouldn't work...

In addition, I would hazard a guess that ammo may start coming up through the drug pipeline out of Mexico. Not too far fetched to think that in addition to drugs, ammo may come with it, (or seperately) if the legal supplies get tight. 1000 rounds of ammo takes up little space really and dogs don't "hit" on ammo like they do drugs. Now that would be ironic.

Why don't we just make it illegal to kill, rape, burglarize, mug, and steal? Oh wait...it already is. Root cause analysis. These things would still happen even without guns.

Its a BAD idea. For many more reasons then listed.

Besides everything else. It will add costs and not help one bit.

Let me ask you a question.

HOW many rds would it take to rob a bank? Answer ZERO (most of the time) Heck most of the time they don't even use a real gun..

How many rds would it take to murder someone? Answer one or so.

How many rds do people who enjoy shooting use in a afternoon of traiing,fun shooting/ Answer HUNDREDS.
As said Just make stuff illegal. (like murder/assult/theft) instead.

Do you also think it would be a good idea to require a federal background check to own a Bible or Koran or Torah? Think of all the lives that could have been saved during the Crusades if only they had banned these works of terrorist propaganda!

A good rule of thumb with gun laws is to substitute whatever gun restriction you want for an identical restriction regarding the Bible. If it seems like a bad idea with a Bible, it is also a bad idea with guns.

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Would this work? How would thugs get their bullets?

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The same way biker gangs get their guns. One person has a permit and carries them and distributes them for a fight. I'm sure that most gangs could find somebody (either a member or a family member/ GF) to act as a strawman that is not a convict.

With ammo control, there would be small factories all over Mexico, shipping ammo with the dope.

For all the money spent on drug interdiction, we capture some ten to fifteen percent. Probably be about the same for ammo, but it would be the Bad Guys who had all they wanted...

:banghead::banghead:Hey I know, prohibition. No one will drink if we outlaw it.......

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It never works!

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Effective at doing what? Controlling guns?

Rubbish

Gun control advocate Robert Sherrill pointed out in 1975 that crime guns at most represented 1 out of 400 guns, and lamented the futility of most gun control measures.

As a participant in local military matches, I shoot up to 960 rounds for score in a season and that's not counting practice or sighting rounds. Most criminals rarely fire their guns, compared to the use of ammo in sports. Ammo control could easily shut down sports shooting with no effect on criminal use.

I have seen guns actually seized on the streets and read reports: it is not uncommon for crime guns to be loaded less than full capacity, with rounds from different makers, and varying ages, from pristine ammo to green with verdigris in the same clip. It is not as though the average criminal wants to be seen in a sporting goods department or gun shop. Most local gun shops are also cop shops, where local police and reserve deputies buy their guns and ammo for personal practice or in some cases duty use. Crime control through gun control or ammo control is a lot of effort for little benefit and probably a lot of harm. Some gun control advocates do want to eliminate "blood sports" involving weapons and crime control is just an escuse, but crime control through most gun control measures has littleor no benefit, but wastes taxpayer dollars and enforcement man-hours best spent elsewhere.

It only takes one bullet to kill someone... That's the whole point to people looking to increase ammo prices by taxing because they say it will keep guns on the shelves. It will, for people who shoot frequently, but for the average thug I'm sure he won't mind paying the extra money for the few mags that he needs. Besides, that would make people practice less and do we really want to have alot of bad shots out there?

Ammo seems like it'd be MUCH harder to get a good black market going, because unlike guns it is perishable

I have shot military ammo dated 1924, 1944, etc. Winner of one of our pistol matches was shooting DWM ammo made in 1935. Black powder muskets left loaded from the Revolution have been known to go bang when tested. Ammo has a longer shelf life than commonly believed. It is not perishable like tomatoes or strawberries.

Ammo, like alcohol or marijauna, is perishable in the sense that it is an item that, if used, it is used up, but that did not stop a black market in booze or pot following the 1919 Volstead Act or the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

Boxes of ammo would be easier to transport concealed than boxes of guns (although international gun runners have shipped whole shipping containers of machineguns and grenade launchers labelled "sewing machine parts" so definition of box may be open to debate). Small time ammo running would be on the scale of most meth, crack or pot smuggling: baggies in the spare tire well of a car.

Somewhere there's an analogy to the story of a mountain giving birth to a mouse, as in it sounds like a lot of effort for little good. My personal experience is that the Assault Weapon Ban 1994 had more effect on the local Reserve Deputies than it had on the local criminals, and I see an Assault Ammo Ban as more of the same. Also, from my observation in the 1950s and 1960s, a lot of ammo "on the streets" is stolen, bribed or extorted from the military.

How would thugs get their bullets?

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The same way that they get their guns and their drugs.