Look how easy it is to limit Heller

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that is how the SCOTUS works, people. They decide based on the scope of the case. Heller was not about how far the second amendment really reaches, but as to whether or not the collective argument that people tried to baselessly claim off of Miller - or the individual rights argument - was what the second amendment was intended to mean.

And as for the 'longstanding prohibitions': striking those down would have been a blow to due process. One battle at a time. You don't wanna go for an instant game-winner because there is always the 50-50 chance that you will be the one who loses everything. Going by the vote, the narrowness is probably the only reason why we won for all we know. If it was about machine guns or assault weapons... Well, I'd hate to leave it all up to Kennedy.
 
This is why NRA didn't want the case to be heard even.

Didn't stop them from high-fiving everyone and claiming partial credit when the victory came down in our favor. Tactics like that led me to lose faith in the NRA and stop supporting them. It proved that they, like the Bradys, are only in it for the money...which I give to St. Jude's now.
 
lanternlad1 said:
...Tactics like that led me to lose faith in the NRA and stop supporting them. It proved that they, like the Bradys, are only in it for the money...
You have your facts wrong. Reread post #7. The NRA had good reason not to support the case initially. But when the situation changed, they signed on big time.
 
I will get excited about a court decision when the SC rules against the GCA 68 or the 86 ban or directly in plain language affirms the RKBA without condition. Anything less will get shot full of holes.
 
X-Rap said:
I will get excited about a court decision when the SC rules against the GCA 68 or the 86 ban or directly in plain language affirms the RKBA without condition....
I guess that you won't need to worry about getting excited. The chances of that happening are vanishingly small.
 
"2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed
weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment
or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast
doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms
in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
“in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Pp. 54–56."

That emboldened phrase says nothing about possessing or owning dangerous or unusual weapons. It only mentions carrying.That could be a hole in the line that can be exploited at some point down the road. But for now, we must live with the Heller situation. Though we'd all like to go back to the founding era where the majority of folks were very comfortable with and around firearms, that is not the case today. As the Wicked Witch of the West stated, regarding how to kill Dorothy to get the ruby slippers, "These things must be done delicately".

Heller was never intended to be the last minute shot that ended the game in favor of our side. We've been in this battle since 1934, and the battle rages on. We took a very strategic hill when the USSC decided in Heller that the 2nd Amendment protects an individual vs. collective right to keep and bear arms. We still have lots of battles to fight, lots of ground to fight for, and many hills to take. We can't let our determination get swamped by losses. They will happen. We have to continue to fight. And quit giving up on the NRA just because they do something once in a while that upsets you. Cripes, my wife upsets me once in a while. That doesn't mean I quit funding her. The benefits of meeting her desires and helping to fund them typically far outweigh any pain in meeting and funding those desires. ;) The NRA is our friend. They are Pattons tank corps. We need them and all of the other groups which help champion our RKBA. They need money to help us fight battles. Like any army, they may not do everything just the way we would like to see it done, but they are the most powerful force on the battlefield and we need them. We need GOA, SAF, CCRKBA, and many other groups as well.

If these groups send you mail you don't want or didn't ask for, recycle it, pitch it, or use it to start a campfire. Don't agonize over it. Cripes, we have bigger issues than getting some unsolicited mail in our box once or twice a month. When we are that weak and petty, it's no wonder we've lost battles to the gun grabbers. The gun grabbers somehow stay committed and united, where we are always infighting and airing our dirty laundry.

Aragorn (from Lord of the Rings): "There may come a day when the courage of men fails; when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day!......"
 
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow posted:
USAF, that is an excellent point - I hadn't caught that! Subtlety is very important.

You said a mouthful, Doc. When we stay focused and don't get too emotional, we are better able to pick up on the subtle issues and figure out ways to exploit them. This is no different than what the antis did for decades in claiming that the "militia" reference in the Second Amendment meant that states were protected in arming their own militias. They took a subtle part of the 2nd Amendment and created an entire movement based upon it. Heller was the decision that finally put a bullet in that movements head, thank God. We won't have to live with that specious arguement any longer. We can now move on towards other targets and objectives.

I would hope my allies in the fight to defend our RKBA would also see Heller in this light and not get frustrated that Heller is not our doomsday weapon to go back to pre 1934. It was a key battle, and it was important. However, we must be prepared to continue the fight. It's not over. Keep looking for subtle ways in which we can exploit weaknesses in the anti's side, which includes many members of our courts, I'm sad to say. We can win battles, and we have won battles. Some Chicago suburbs which had handgun bans threw in the towel before the NRA sponsored law suits could get to the courts. That was a direct result of the Heller decision.
 
A little bit off topic, but related to how our society perceives "danger" and that includes firearms. Here's two examples.

1. a uniformed security guard carrying a side arm probably makes most people, even those who are scared poopless of guns, feel more secure if he/she is nearby. A citizen in civilian clothes openly carrying a weapon, even if it's legal to do so, will probably scare many people enough to soil their undies and they might even call the cops. What's the difference? Perception in their own minds. I've seen some security guards come to my gun club who have been god awful in handling and shooting their sidearm.

2. Walmart. Walmart stores hunting/camping style knives in a locked glass container in their sporting goods section. But walk over to their kitchen goods area and you can find kitchen knives out in the open. Why the difference? Perception? Perception that someone would rather steal a hunting style knife than a kitchen style knife? Maybe it only revolves around cost. I'm not sure what the logic is behind their reasoning, but it doesn't seem to add up when my own logic is applied.
 
DC then cc'd our CA handgun roster (a defacto ban on many common firearms). Heller II should dismantle that nonsense.

Someone already said it; HELLER alone gives as fuel to fight with. Restoring our rights is still many legal battles away.
 
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