BluesBear
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As my Kentucly brother said earlier,
Y'all make me proud to be here.
Meow you are an inspiration to us all.
I salute you sir.
Y'all make me proud to be here.
Meow you are an inspiration to us all.
I salute you sir.
My range lit on fire!!!
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griz
Member
Good work Chairman Meow.
As for the insurance, some do amd some don't. The one I was most familiar with carried no insurance because it was so expensive. They told you this when you joined. They could probably handle small claims from existing funds, but by design a big lawsuit would just shut them down.
As for the insurance, some do amd some don't. The one I was most familiar with carried no insurance because it was so expensive. They told you this when you joined. They could probably handle small claims from existing funds, but by design a big lawsuit would just shut them down.
Kentucky Rifle
Member In Memoriam
Hey Chairman...
Why don't you send Safariland an e-mail detailing the story anyway? They might send you ANOTHER holster. They just might think you deserve a new holster as much as we do. In any case, they'll appreciate the story. It's free advertising.
KR
Why don't you send Safariland an e-mail detailing the story anyway? They might send you ANOTHER holster. They just might think you deserve a new holster as much as we do. In any case, they'll appreciate the story. It's free advertising.
KR
Doug444
Member
CM,
Put me on the list for a work detail this spring. I don't shoot there that often, but it's mighty handy when I need it. Good work. I, too, feared the worst when I saw the smoke at the Mouth of Big Cottonwood. Seems like a fire extinguisher needs to be a part of my range bag from now on!
Doug444
Put me on the list for a work detail this spring. I don't shoot there that often, but it's mighty handy when I need it. Good work. I, too, feared the worst when I saw the smoke at the Mouth of Big Cottonwood. Seems like a fire extinguisher needs to be a part of my range bag from now on!
Doug444
BluesBear
member
Write to Safariland and tell them how well their holster held up.
All companies like to hear good stuff about their products.
You could freak them out and tell them the handgun inside it melted.
All companies like to hear good stuff about their products.
You could freak them out and tell them the handgun inside it melted.
To Chairman and Doug
I was also at the range that day. I imagine you were one of the 2 people in the white t-shirts on the hill.
I looked at the range where Dan was shooting and there was in fact a steel fence post inside one of the blue plastic barrels.
Dan did in fact run up the hill with his friend and begin to attack the fire immeadiately. They actually may have been able to have stopped the fire before it got to the steeper incline but.....The manager (Karen) yelled at him like crazy to "get off the hill right now, get off the hill or I'll have you arrested, get off the hill or you will never be allowed at this range ever again!!!
She said she also yelled at you but stopped when you told her you were a forest Svc person. (I didn't know that she had yelled at you guys as well until I asked her why she didn't require the 2 guys in white t-shirts to get off the hill.
Thank you for your effort at containment of the fire. I imagine you mitigated the fire's travel westward along the side of the mountain.
Perhaps the fire extingusiher idea is good-especially in the hot hot part of the summer. Here's a thought, would you ever want to go on vacation in the summer of you owned one of the soon to be houses near the top of that hill?
Sincerely,
W. Clark Aposhian
Chair Utah Self-Defense Instructors' Network
I was also at the range that day. I imagine you were one of the 2 people in the white t-shirts on the hill.
I looked at the range where Dan was shooting and there was in fact a steel fence post inside one of the blue plastic barrels.
Dan did in fact run up the hill with his friend and begin to attack the fire immeadiately. They actually may have been able to have stopped the fire before it got to the steeper incline but.....The manager (Karen) yelled at him like crazy to "get off the hill right now, get off the hill or I'll have you arrested, get off the hill or you will never be allowed at this range ever again!!!
She said she also yelled at you but stopped when you told her you were a forest Svc person. (I didn't know that she had yelled at you guys as well until I asked her why she didn't require the 2 guys in white t-shirts to get off the hill.
Thank you for your effort at containment of the fire. I imagine you mitigated the fire's travel westward along the side of the mountain.
Perhaps the fire extingusiher idea is good-especially in the hot hot part of the summer. Here's a thought, would you ever want to go on vacation in the summer of you owned one of the soon to be houses near the top of that hill?
Sincerely,
W. Clark Aposhian
Chair Utah Self-Defense Instructors' Network
What the $#^&&!@! They were shooting and started a fire and what did they do? Stand idly by and watch it burn and then watch you fighting it? 
That sounds like a clear failure of personal responsibility on their part-- if they had been on the ball, they could have put it out when it was small! Unless it turns out that they didn't start it, I hope losing priviledges at the club is the least of their punishment. (Unless they renumerate the club significantly for the hassle.)
That sounds like a clear failure of personal responsibility on their part-- if they had been on the ball, they could have put it out when it was small! Unless it turns out that they didn't start it, I hope losing priviledges at the club is the least of their punishment. (Unless they renumerate the club significantly for the hassle.)
Don
I realize these posts are updated sometimes in a flurry of responses so
I will assume that didn't read my post where I stated they DID try to put the fire out when it was small. They were ordered and threatened to STOP. You sir are correct, When it was small I think they could have had a handle on it, but we'll never know as the woman at the club stepped so now we'll never know for sure.
Sincerely,
W. Clark Aposhian
I realize these posts are updated sometimes in a flurry of responses so
I will assume that didn't read my post where I stated they DID try to put the fire out when it was small. They were ordered and threatened to STOP. You sir are correct, When it was small I think they could have had a handle on it, but we'll never know as the woman at the club stepped so now we'll never know for sure.
Sincerely,
W. Clark Aposhian
BluesBear
member
So it would seem that "Karen" would be as much at fault for the eventual damage done as the shooters that accidentially started it.
W.Clark, no flurry of posts. There was over an hour between your post and the next one. Someone just didn't take the time to read all the way to the end and jumped to conclusions without all of the facts.
W.Clark, no flurry of posts. There was over an hour between your post and the next one. Someone just didn't take the time to read all the way to the end and jumped to conclusions without all of the facts.
Gunner45
Member
Why to go Chairman Meow!!
Sorry to hear about you holster. I saw just a snippet about that fire on KSL.
It's nice to know that there are still some people around that wouldn't say, "Hey it's not my prob".
Gunner45
Sorry to hear about you holster. I saw just a snippet about that fire on KSL.
It's nice to know that there are still some people around that wouldn't say, "Hey it's not my prob".
Gunner45
Bluesbear takes this potshot from the Northwest;
I strongly disagree, Bluesbear, but then I know the people involved, and perhaps you do not. She was more likely interested in ensuring that people did not get burned. Karen is a competent and personable individual and I would trust her judgement in the matter more than that of the people who started the fire in the first place.
Clark,
I know who you are and respect all you have done to advance CCW in Utah, so please don't take the following observation as anything other than conversational (as opposed to confrontational).
However... you're right, we will never know whether one of the shooters- people who are probably NOT trained to deal with fire- might have stopped the fire... or keeled over from a heart attack, or suffered third degree burns and sued the club because Karen DID NOT stop him.
Right ?
I strongly disagree, Bluesbear, but then I know the people involved, and perhaps you do not. She was more likely interested in ensuring that people did not get burned. Karen is a competent and personable individual and I would trust her judgement in the matter more than that of the people who started the fire in the first place.
Clark,
I know who you are and respect all you have done to advance CCW in Utah, so please don't take the following observation as anything other than conversational (as opposed to confrontational).
However... you're right, we will never know whether one of the shooters- people who are probably NOT trained to deal with fire- might have stopped the fire... or keeled over from a heart attack, or suffered third degree burns and sued the club because Karen DID NOT stop him.
Right ?
BluesBear
member
Archer,
I was not trying to take a potshot. My intention was to put in a rolling eyes emoticon, I even left the space for it, but got so caught up in replying to someone who jumped to incorrect conclusions that I forgot to do it.
My original meaning was that someone looking for a scape goat could claim negligence on the manager. Of course we know that the same people who would do that would also be the first to claim the same thing if anyone was injured in trying to extinguish it.
I have no doubt but that Karen is a competent and personable individual, however I do personally feel that threatening someone for trying to do the right thing is a bit harsh. But considering the heat of the moment (no pun intended) I can almost understand it.
Again there were no potshots intended.
If this had happend in a TV movie (spark from a fencepost in a target starting a wild fire) we'd ALL be rolling our eyes.
It just goes to show sometimes "stuff" happens.
I was not trying to take a potshot. My intention was to put in a rolling eyes emoticon, I even left the space for it, but got so caught up in replying to someone who jumped to incorrect conclusions that I forgot to do it.
My original meaning was that someone looking for a scape goat could claim negligence on the manager. Of course we know that the same people who would do that would also be the first to claim the same thing if anyone was injured in trying to extinguish it.
I have no doubt but that Karen is a competent and personable individual, however I do personally feel that threatening someone for trying to do the right thing is a bit harsh. But considering the heat of the moment (no pun intended) I can almost understand it.
Again there were no potshots intended.
If this had happend in a TV movie (spark from a fencepost in a target starting a wild fire) we'd ALL be rolling our eyes.
It just goes to show sometimes "stuff" happens.
Bowlcut
Member
well all i will say is...
you da man!
way to go fighting it.....truely a selfless act. you will be rewarded thats for sure.
you da man!
way to go fighting it.....truely a selfless act. you will be rewarded thats for sure.
Chairman Meow
Member
The two guys in the white T-shirts were the other two guys up there, I was wearing a black sweatshirt I had in my truck and I was below them. They went ahead and stomped out spots while I followed up and dug line directly on the fire. They helped a lot. I tried to convince them to stay further down and not get uphill of the fire but they were confident that they could jump it if it picked up. This worried me because grass fires can move 60+ mph uphill in a strong wind. I was hot but I put on the sweatshirt for fire protection. T-shirt + fire fighting = bad idea.
When I was first taking off up the hill I was mostly concerned for the guys already on the hill. I am a certified wildland firefighter and a certified EMT and I was worried that these guys would get hurt. After I got up to them and talked to them I felt better, they seemed to have a good handle on the safety precautions. Karen yelled at me when I was taking off up the hill but I told her who and what I was and she let me go. She was more worried about her shooters lives than the grass above the range and for that she is to be commended. She was absolutely right to be worried because if something goes wrong on the fire front and you don't know what to do, you are screwed. Like I said, fire moves fast, and until you've actually seen one pick up in the wind and haul a$$ you can't even imagine what it's capable of doing. I've only seen little flare ups in my limited exposure to fire but it was enough to drive the message home.
Karen and I talked for a bit when I came down and she is a real sweetheart.
CM
P.S. - Took my CCW class last night. Yay!
When I was first taking off up the hill I was mostly concerned for the guys already on the hill. I am a certified wildland firefighter and a certified EMT and I was worried that these guys would get hurt. After I got up to them and talked to them I felt better, they seemed to have a good handle on the safety precautions. Karen yelled at me when I was taking off up the hill but I told her who and what I was and she let me go. She was more worried about her shooters lives than the grass above the range and for that she is to be commended. She was absolutely right to be worried because if something goes wrong on the fire front and you don't know what to do, you are screwed. Like I said, fire moves fast, and until you've actually seen one pick up in the wind and haul a$$ you can't even imagine what it's capable of doing. I've only seen little flare ups in my limited exposure to fire but it was enough to drive the message home.
Karen and I talked for a bit when I came down and she is a real sweetheart.
CM
P.S. - Took my CCW class last night. Yay!
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