Sarsilmaz Hancer branded pistol - good buy?

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Some of the advantages of the AR-24 over the CZ 75B are:
1. 1911 firing pin block, which is a lot less likely to break due to dry firing.
2. A firing pin safety which releases spring tension when the trigger is pulled instead of increasing tension as does the CZ.
3. To me, a more ergonomic grip. The backstrap indents to give a very comfortable hold.
4. A rounded trigger guard rather than the squared one on the CZ. This is merely a personal preference.
5. A more massive extractor. I like the overkill; never had a problem with the one on a CZ, but I like the more massive on the AR better.
6. A forged slide and frame. A cast may be adequet, yet I feel the forge offers a little more strength. Apparently CZ does too. Their slide is forged.
7. The loooooooong trigger pull of the CZ does not exits with the AR-24. This is a big one for me.

I do like the CZ 75 B, but I feel the AR-24 has a lot more to offer.

CZ does have a facility in Turkey, but it is only for CZ products. The CZ pistols with the additional "TR" rollmark are assembled there. My understanding is that it started out as a parts/service center when the Turkish police first switched to the CZ 75B.

http://www.ceskazbrojovka.com/index.php?p=32&idp=1&ids=37&lang=en

I just bought this pistol from Academy Sports (Sarsilmaz Hancer), brought it home and gave it a good lookover/cleaning. Went to the range and the first 10 shots went great, then I noticed a casing still inside the chamber. After that it didnt go so good, out of about 75 rounds I got maybe 15 jams, the ammo wouldnt feed into the chamber properly, I would have to pull back on the slide again and then it would fire. I used both Winchester white box and tried using CCI Blazers. It shot very accurately and didnt have much recoil, but I dont know how a new gun can perform like this, my Taurus PT-92 out of the box never had this issue. Also I dont think their is a warranty, nothing is listed on the instructions that come with it. Im just going to sell it and take for what it is a Pisser.

the cz-85 combat does not have a firing pin block safety hence the combat designation. The cz 85 B does have a firing pin block. If you want to see pictures of all the Sarsilmaz pistols and the Bernardelli pistols go to the website: http://www.cherrys.com/sarsilmaz_pistol.htm.
The ArmaLite pistols will be based on the Sarsilmaz 9mm "Kilinc" (sword) pistol which is the standard sidearm of the Turkish police. It is essentially a modified CZ 75 design, with a cam-operated tilting-barrel locking system and conventional double-action trigger mechanism. ArmaLite is making modifications, so that the pistols will reflect the traditions of the company. The AR-24 will be all steel, with forged and machined parts.

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I just bought this pistol from Academy Sports (Sarsilmaz Hancer), brought it home and gave it a good lookover/cleaning. Went to the range and the first 10 shots went great, then I noticed a casing still inside the chamber. After that it didnt go so good, out of about 75 rounds I got maybe 15 jams, the ammo wouldnt feed into the chamber properly, I would have to pull back on the slide again and then it would fire. I used both Winchester white box and tried using CCI Blazers. It shot very accurately and didnt have much recoil, but I dont know how a new gun can perform like this, my Taurus PT-92 out of the box never had this issue. Also I dont think their is a warranty, nothing is listed on the instructions that come with it. Im just going to sell it and take for what it is a Pisser.

Grimacus - have you tried re-cleaning and re-lubricating it yet? From what I've read on other sites this is a standard carry for other countries police and military units, so there must be something simple to look for. I have found in buying guns of nearly every make and trading around, that many, many have quirks out of the box and need a break-in period. Try some different lube, and look for a burr or two that could cause the round to hang up. If it keeps on and you really decide to sell it, I'd like a shot at it.

Dave

CZ 75's are only $429 at Academy anyway. Spend the extra $70

I have a Turkish made Stoeger 8040 and love it. In reviewing the best 9mm web page
http://www.best9mm.com/ I went to the review page for the CZ-75, which they rated #1 and I read the review http://www.gunweek.com/2006/feature0501.html on the CZ. I was considering buying a Cougar 8000, since I only own one 9mm a C-9 Hi point. My concealed carry choice is the .40, but practice rounds are expensive and 9mm is so much more reasonable. I glanced at a Sarsilmaz Hancer 9mm at Academy, when I purchased the Cougar .40, but the clerk said he thought it was a POS and didn't like the trigger. I guess I should have looked into this little bargain a little more as the CZ's have really gone up in price lately. I am still considering another Cougar in 9mm, since the .40 will most likely by my carry weapon, but I would honestly like to hear from someone that has some real shooting experience with the Sarsilmaz, rather than a bunch of bigoted opinions about where it is made. I was hoping to find a professional thread, where people shared honest opinions about weapons, so I don't make another Sigma mistake, like I did a couple of years ago.

If you own one of these and have something good or bad from your experience, please share it with us. I am honestly considering spending some of my hard earned military retirement pay on one of these and need some decent input.

Thanks in advance,
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MikeBoyd,

I don't own a Hancer but do own both the Cougar 8000 & 8040. I also own a collection of CZ's ranging from the .25 to the .45

I shoot both Cougar's regularly feeding these with LSW only. After more than 500 rounds through each I am convinced that these pistols are sleepers just like the CZ75 was for many years. In terms of reliability, accuracy & durability I cannot choose between the CZ or Stoeger for my daily carry.

The CZ P-01 and the Cougar 8000 carry and shoot virtually the same POI when using a rapid draw and firing without deliberate aiming - glasses off. (My eyes are weak at any distance so muscle memory plays a huge role here.)

Thanks bliksme300, I guess it will be another Cougar then. I love my 8040, but she has expensive appetite, so I will go for the 8000 and most likely have no buyer's remorse whatsoever.

Thanks again for you kind and speedy reply.

I shot two Hancers and loved them......only reason I couldn't buy one was couldn't find one - bought the same gun from Armalite and love it as well - compares positively with all my 9mm from a half dozen other makers, and is BETTER than several I own; all big brand name

CZ 75's are only $429 at Academy anyway. Spend the extra $70

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Seems that the local Academy's are no longer carryin' the CZ now that they have the Turkish clone.

What is barrel length of 9mm sarsilmaz Bernardelli and is it manufactured in 17+1 shots capacity

Some of the advantages of the AR-24 over the CZ 75B are:
1. 1911 firing pin block, which is a lot less likely to break due to dry firing.

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Not likely to happen on a modern CZ. I use snap caps with every gun I dry fire. Not an issue

2. A firing pin safety which releases spring tension when the trigger is pulled instead of increasing tension as does the CZ.

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What's your point, trigger pull? My 75B abd 75D PCR have stellar out of the box triggers. If they didn't they'd get trigger jobs. Not an issue.

3. To me, a more ergonomic grip. The backstrap indents to give a very comfortable hold.

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As you say "To me". Very subjective. My CZ's are the most confortable, most ergonomic pistols I have owned or used.

4. A rounded trigger guard rather than the squared one on the CZ. This is merely a personal preference.

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Agreed

5. A more massive extractor. I like the overkill; never had a problem with the one on a CZ, but I like the more massive on the AR better.

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CZ's extractors are fine, as with any gun if you have an issue install an extra power extracor spring. Not an issue.

6. A forged slide and frame. A cast may be adequet, yet I feel the forge offers a little more strength. Apparently CZ does too. Their slide is forged.

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The PCR and P-01 both torture tested for police and NATO specs have cast frames. The Browning Hi Power MK III switched to a cast frame to handle the higher pressure .40 S&W round. Their frames had previously been forged. Not an issue.

7. The loooooooong trigger pull of the CZ does not exits with the AR-24. This is a big one for me.

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Most of the CZ's can be carried cocked and locked to have a consistant, single action short trigger pull from the first shot. They are also designed to be carried DA at the half cocked, safety notch which also shortens the trigger pull. Not an issue.

I do like the CZ 75 B, but I feel the AR-24 has a lot more to offer.

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Again. Like what?

JohnnyOrygun: Soldiers don't kill people. Governments ordering soldiers to kill people kill people. That's like saying that because I was born in Michigan that I would have a continuous problem living in Alabama - Civil War you know. Lots of Michigan and Alabama folks tried to kill each other. As long as we have the opportunity, it's best to forget and forgive.

On another topic. Why would anyone want to close this thread because we've covered this ground before. Almost everything has been covered before. We should just close this site and be done with it. There is almost nothing new to be discussed other than new gun or ammo offerings.

As to the topic of this thread, the pistol in question appears to be a fine one. I've shot nearly a box of ammo through one and I'd classify it as a "honey". I might even have to have one shortly. I liked it better than my CZ75B and that is a superb shooter.

Hancer

Wow, ok I bought this gun a couple of weeks ago, and was just able to shoot it yesterday... WHAT A GUN! The feel of it is incredible, the thing shoots amazing, the only problem I had all day was the very first bullet that was ever chambered into this gun caught on the barrel ramp... it didn't happen again all day though. The gun shoots true and my brother and dad who are much mor into handguns than me were amazed with it. My brother was so amazed with this gun that we went to academy after the rang to get him one of the KAMAs and they were completely sold out... Overall I am really pleased with this gun.

I'm surprised you still can find Sarsilmaz at any Academy stores. When I bought my last Kama about 1-1/2 months ago, none of the 5 stores near me had any. I had to drive about 1hr to the store that still had 3 left.

I just bought a Fobus holster for the AR-24, and the Hancer fitted perfectly. I bought the Sarsilmaz originally NOT intending on CC, but I'm having second thoughts.

I bought one (Hancer 2000) last week, $278 plus tax. The store had one more left, along with two Kama's. Went through about 100 rds of ball and hp ammo, runs flawlessly. Just as a test, the Jericho mags fit, as suspected. The only "issue": chipped/rubbed off the paint on the rear sight, easy fix. Very satisfied, beyond expectation.

The front sight of my Kama fell off around 350rds. Doesn't bother me too much, since I was going to try the Nightsiters anyway. The stock sight paint is slighty night-glowing, but gets nowhere as bright as the nightsiters.

I am in the Dallas area and no one has any more around here. Volfy, did you go to plano? It sounds like the numbers are familiar to what they had when I got mine. I actually had to buy the display, which I wasn't fond of but decided to go with it because I liked the feel better than the kama. Blackrussian I also had the paint come out of one of my rear site dimples upon cleaning... nothing paint won't fix though.

No, I'm in the Houston area. I do have friends who live in Plano and we go visit often. Very nice area.

I have both the Hancer and Kama. Hancer with the stock rubber grip does feel a lot better than the Kama with plastic grip. After I put Hogue CZ75 wraparound grips on both of them, the Kama feel just as good, if not better because of the longer frame.

Don't worry about the display unit. I doubt too many people asked to handle it. Most will just look at the big name brands.

Can you please post pictures of the Hancer grips? On and off, if thats not asking too much.

Here's the before pic. I'll work on the after.

Here it is with the CZ-75 Hogue grip. It wasn't the perfect drop-in fit like on the Kama, but pretty close. First off, it required trimming about 10mm off the bottom. Also the bottom inside contours needed to be reshaped slightly, and the screw location was off 2-3mm. Careful work with a dremel tool and the end result was well worth it.

I like the fact that my Kama and Hancer have almost exactly the same feel and pointing characteristics. The Hogue grip made for a substantially slimmer width, and the front finger grooves really helps with controllability.

Thank you.
I went back to Academy today, no more Sarsilmaz pistols. I suspect they were pulled off the shelves.

You might try asking the Academy clerk to do a computer inventory search for stores around your area. That's how I found my last Kama at a store some 40miles away. You never know, you might get lucky. Some of the stores didn't even know they still had Sarsilmaz left. I had to tell them about the computer inventory search at another store and to dig them out of the gun safe.