Does anyone make a 1911 not 1911A1?

Actually most manufacturers don't make the 1911A1, but a hybrid. Generally, modern 1911 pistols have the flat mainspring housing and long trigger of the original 1911, but retain the cut-outs behind the trigger of the 1911A1. Beavertail grip safeties, full length guide rods, and firing pin safeties are new modifications alien to the original 1911 and to the "first alteration", and the ejection ports are now lowered and flared.

Colt has recently made a WWI reproduction 1911, which is the original design through and through.

Springfield's GI is relatively close - no beavertail, ejection port is old-school small, GI sights, arched MSH. Don't remember about the firing pin safety (I think it does have it). It does have the FLGR and short trigger. "Hybrid" is probably a good description.

Rock Island's GI model is a bit more "hybrid"-ed. Flat MSH, larger ejection port are included. But, has a longer trigger, IIRC.

Q

Here is one. Built better, better metals, better machining, than the originals. If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it. Sorry.

USFA Automatic 1911™
Military Model

Features: High polish Blue, Browning’s original wide design, standard walnut grips, 7+1 magazine, 45 ACP, 1911 patent dates, grip safety, small contoured checkered thumb safety and spur hammer with hand cut checkering.





http://www.usfirearms.com/cat/1911.asp

Colt and USFA.

Colt.

The USFA oddity is not a close copy of anything.

Yeah...the USFA looks to have the cutout and certainly has the short trigger.

SlamFire1,

I had my 1911 crush under control until I saw that!!!!!

Now I have drooled all over my keyboard, thanks.

Springfield's GI is relatively close - no beavertail, ejection port is old-school small, GI sights, arched MSH.

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I think that's exactly what he DOESN'T want - the 1911a1 style gun.

As mentioned, Colt. They have had it out a few years now and are on the second serialization run on it (early ones are WWI, later/current ones are WMK). And they are accurate reproductions, not like that bizarre USFA mix-master.

Or you can do what I have been doing for years before the WWI repro from Colt came out. I made this "pseudo" 1911 style hack a few years ago for field use and carry:

1) Buy an original Series '70 Colt. Replace the arch MSH and short trigger. I found a flat smooth looped one - heaven. Use with abandon.
2) this get's you 95% of the way there. You get a close look, and have really only the finger scallops to give it away obviously. The modern GS tang and hammer give greatly reduced hammer bite.
3) The teardrop safety does not annoy me - it is not as aesthetic but it is a better design.

I have done this for a long time. This girl is now wearing out her 2nd blue job and has umpteen rounds down the tube without a hitch. This and a very, very nice Sistema Colt 1927 (a true 1911a1 gun) are my two favorite carry 1911s. As a side note, I finally this week found an original 1912 "cavalry" pattern holster for it for mounted use. I cannot wait! Nice to find others who appreciate the original design for it's virtues:

All of the Frame's Trigger area and forward portion, the conture or profile Milling of the "USFA" so-called "1911"...is really bad...lumpy...'off'...really "bad"...


If I owned that Factory, that Frame would be in the 'Re-Melt' Barrel...and I'd have fired however many people as were responsible for it.


Wrong Scales/Stocks/Grips also (gratiotous-revision emulation of the Model 1905?) and an A1 type 'cut-out'...the whole thing is abortion...

Yuck...

Painful to even look at.


Horrid...

Oyeboten.....You are so correct!

That USFA model is an over-priced abortion. Who has even seen one for sale?

Horrid looking.

This Colt is SO much nicer.....

http://www.coltsmfg.com/products-c5-q50-COLT_PISTOLS.aspx

I don't know that crazy-mp wants to spend big-bucks, but before any constructive suggestions can be made I need some more clues about what he means when he says:

But I want an original 1911 without the "enhanced" features.

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What enhancements does he have in mind? The differences between a true 1911 and 1911A1 Government .45 pistol consist of...

An arched rather then flat mainspring housing (both are interchangeable).

A short rather then long fingerpiece on the trigger (again interchangeable).

A grip safety with a longer horn at the top to help prevent hammer-bite (interchangeable again).

A scallop cut-out on the frame by the trigger to allow easier access to the shorter trigger fingerpiece (not interchangeable between the two different style frames, but of little consequence as a practical matter).

Slightly wider and easier to see front and rear sights.

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Maybe crazy-mp simply wants a true service pistol without all of the modifications dreamed up by combat gamers during recent years. If that is the case there are some possibilities that don't cost an arm & leg.

Post #10 is EXACTLY what I have, the 01911 Carbonia Blue model. Absolutely the best pistol I personally have ever owned! (well, my 6" S&W Model 19's were pretty damn fine, but I no longer have them).

The 01911 is out of production, but Colt still makes the 01918 model in a black finish, can't remember what it's called, but it's exactly the same except for the finish. Black Oxide, maybe.

IMO, if you want a new pistol that's as close to the original 1911's of WWI, the Colt repro is the only way to go. My 01911 always give me warm fuzzies to hold, look at and shoot. It's even got the correct sights on it.

The 01911 pistol in post #10 has the WMK suffix on the s/n, the 01918 models end with WWI.

Colt still makes the 01918 model in a black finish, can't remember what it's called

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It's called the "Black Army," due to the dark black finish.

Also, Caspian makes the "classic" frame and slide, so you can build your own 1911 if you want to.

Wes

There IS one other option.......get an original.

Well if you were a rich man we wouldn't have a problem.

As has been pointed out, Colt and perhaps Caspian Arms are the only ones that make a true 1911 frame. If you had a frame it wouldn't be dificult to duplicate the 1911 pistol. But getting a frame (or pistol) could be expensive. Personally I believe in using my brain rather then spending what I consider to be excessive amounts of money. Consider this suggestion.

Back during the dark age of the 1950's surplus military .45 pistols sold for $25.00 or sometimes less. Many individuals would pick one of these up, and then mount Micro adjustable sights on them. Time has passed and these sights while good, are no longer popular.

Occasionally a genuine 1911 pistol shows up on the auctions such as gunbroker.com that has been so modified. Generally shooters aren't too interested because they want the gadget-loaded "new school" look. Serious collectors with deep pockets woun't touch them. So they often sell in the $600 to $800 range, even though that other then the sights they are the real thing.

What I have done is sometimes pick one of these up, and return the sights to close to the original configuration, but with a wider front blade and rear notch. On other occasions I have simply changed out the slide (most 1911 and 1911A1 military or commercial slides will, or can be made to, interchange on either frame) and have the best of both worlds.

Sometime you can have your cake and eat it too...