Do NOT Carry Locations

Nice site. I like that in Texas, we have the 30-06 sign that must meet height, language and color of text requirements to be legal.

Or here in Kentucky where if caught carrying in a location with a "do not allow weapons" sign the most they can do is ask you to leave.

Or here in Kentucky where if caught carrying in a location with a "do not allow weapons" sign the most they can do is ask you to leave.

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I hate people that disobey do not carry signs because they are not backed by the law. If a property owner puts a sign up that states they do not want you to carry a firarm on their property please do as they wish. We must all be especially good and courteous citizens when we are armed.

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Or here in Kentucky where if caught carrying in a location with a "do not allow weapons" sign the most they can do is ask you to leave.

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Same here in Missouri, if you have a CCW and are carrying, the most they can do is ask you to leave. If you take it to the parking lot, and put it in the car, you can even go back in. Thats specific in the law here.

If a property owner puts a sign up that states they do not want you to carry a firarm on their property please do as they wish.

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1000 years ago all the people on the planet if asked would have said the Earth was flat and laughed if you told 'em it was a sphere.

THEY WERE WRONG.

And the 9 guys on the supreme court and all the other guys who sit on a court and say that the rights of private property owners trump my right to self defense while on their property (especially if as a commercial business they invite me on to that property) ARE JUST AS WRONG.

We must all be especially good and courteous citizens when we are armed.

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Agreed but I will not be disarmed in a place that the law says I can carry regardless of what the sheep who owns it wants.

Agreed but I will not be disarmed in a place that the law says I can carry regardless of what the sheep who owns it wants.

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Not very High Road I just don't do buisness in such places.

If a property owner puts a sign up that states they do not want you to carry a firarm on their property please do as they wish. We must all be especially good and courteous citizens when we are armed.

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Read up on Suzanna Hupp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

I just don't get it. People who disobey the no guns signs whether backed by law or constitutional rights do nothing but hurt our cause.

I'm not so much concerned about The Cause as I am about my own well being.

hate people that disobey do not carry signs because they are not backed by the law. If a property owner puts a sign up that states they do not want you to carry a firarm on their property please do as they wish. We must all be especially good and courteous citizens when we are armed.

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Think about how many times you may have walked into a store (or what ever) and you didn't see the sign. Some states would have you automatically arrested. I have been in stores where it took me sometime to find a posted sign, sometimes your view of the sign is blocked by boxes, other people etc.. This is to cover those oops moments and no one is harmed. Basically the sign means the store has the right to ask you to leave, it may have a different meaning in other states. If you refuse to leave then you are trouble.

Remember I'm talking about Kentucky, your states laws may be different.

No one is threatening your right to self defense if you don't have to be there in the first place. If it is a private business and they choose to post no carry sign, they are not forcing you to come inside.

If they don't want guns, they should put in metal detectors.

Anyone can miss seeing a sign.

And, if you're competently concealed.....they'll never know anyway without a metal detector.

If you are unlawfully carrying a gun somewhere, how are you a lawful gun owner? If you illegally carry a gun somewhere, how are you any different from the scum we wish to separate ourselves from? If you seek to impose your will on others on their own property, how are you any different from the big government politicians who wish to impose their will on you no matter what? How would you feel if someone came in your house, or business, and told you what they wanted to do there?

Please everyone, please be aware these signs have different meanings in different states, according to that state's laws.

It's not illegal to miss seeing a sign where I live......

Federal buildings are an exception, but everybody knows to stay out of them by now.....sign or no sign.

My view on it is this, If you have a privately owned business that is open to the public, you should not be allowed to refuse me entrance based on my exercising my constitutional rights. Is there a sign on the door that says "No jews, catholics or reporters" ? Why is it somehow ok to single out one constitutional right, but all the others are fine in this establishment?

If some business owner really didn't want me carrying in his establishment, he could spend five minutes researching the law and posting the proper sign. Hell, the Texas DPS website even has the required text online.

Read up on Suzanna Hupp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

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It is not apples to apples though, as TX didnt have a CCW at the time. If it had, she would have had her gun with her.

You fellows do know that the "should you carry on private property against the owner's wishes" debate was hashed out just a couple of months ago, here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=456493 for 10 pages -- almost 250 posts.

Neither side conceeded an inch, but every possible word was said in defense of both positions.

But, hey, if you think you've got a new take on it, go for it. I'm sure we can go another 250 posts...

-Sam

My position hasn't changed. If it is legal, I carry and signs be damned.

Reviewing that thread, it amazed me how many people took the time to complain that the thread was too long and should be closed. If they were that disinterested, why take the time to read in it and post in it?

My position hasn't changed. If it is legal, I carry and signs be damned.

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See what I mean?

And I completely concur.

To my mind, we could have a thread specifically about what places are off limits in different states (or in some cases cities) and what were all trying to do to change that. Even this would be a little redundant as the facts are readily available on handgunlaw.us or opencarry.org. There's likely to be more dis-information offered here in such a thread than there is information to be had on those sites.

Or we could have a thread about whether it is ethical to carry against a property owner's wishes. Again. We might as well just call out our positions on that one (and counter-points, and counter-counter arguments) by simply listing the post number from the previous thread! It would save SO much time.

But, hey, I'm up for another round. Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more!

I'll start the bidding: "Post 100!"



-Sam

If a property owner puts a sign up that states they do not want you to carry a firarm on their property please do as they wish.

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What about publicly traded companies? e.g. I understand that in some places, Costco bans CCW. I am an owner of Costco shares and I don't. That and the whole thing about being open to the public.

I'm of the opinion that publicly traded businesses shouldn't necessarily get the same rights that a privately owned business has - I mean, there's no owner really and entities don't get rights in my book, they get privileges.

If you were hurt in an altercation in an establishment that banned CCW and you think you were hurt because you didn't have your CCW with you, could one hold the establishment liable?

I just don't get it. People who disobey the no guns signs whether backed by law or constitutional rights do nothing but hurt our cause.

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What cause? Gun owners can't agree on anything (hence the previous thread with 250+ posts), what makes you think they can agree upon a cause?

My belief is "Leave me in peace, give me the same right to protect my family as police and politicians have, give me the right to enjoy a hobby in which I hurt no one, and judge me based upon what I've done and not what you might think I'll do."

Yet... there are many in our "community" that will disagree with the above statement.

Some cops believe that they are of a different class and should be able to always carry while me, a mere civilian, should not enjoy that right. Most politicians too.

Some "gun people" will disagree with my selection of firearms. I happen to like evil black rifles that fire 800 rounds a minute. There are plenty in the gun community that think machineguns are bad. Shame on those people.

There are even some gun folks that think black semi auto rifles are bad. As long as "they" don't go after "shotguns" (insert whatever flavor of the month that you care for here), it's just fine if everybody else loses out.

Gun cause? Hardly. I think "we" are just a bunch of folks that happen to like something to do with guns. Some more than others. Some with more passionate beliefs than others. Just like the rest of society, we're all different.

The last thing I'm thinking about is "the cause" when I'm lawfully enjoying my life.

If you are unlawfully carrying a gun somewhere, how are you a lawful gun owner?

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Who said anything about "unlawfully?" Please read the other thread.

If you illegally carry a gun somewhere, how are you any different from the scum we wish to separate ourselves from?

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Well for one, I've violated a law, but not caused any harm to any other person. But, again, who said "illegally?" Please read the other thread.

If you seek to impose your will on others on their own property, how are you any different from the big government politicians who wish to impose their will on you no matter what?

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How is the inactive presence of an inanimate object secreted on my person in any way imposing my will on anyone else? Please read the other thread.

How would you feel if someone came in your house, or business, and told you what they wanted to do there?

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Please read the other thread.

Does that clear it all up?

-Sam

[EDIT: We're all sliding back into the blaaaaack hooooooole!!!!!!]