Man sentenced after arsenal found in Bellevue storage locker

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This would make his case very similar to US v. Miller

Miller was a bully and drunk. Unfortunately, under an adversarial system the only way laws can be examined for constitutionality is for someone to break them. Laws tend to be broken by unsavory characters. Miranda was a two bit punk but managed to help define the rights of the accused. Unfortunately, since the administrative branch is unwilling to have the firearms laws examined too closely the theft charges are likely to be the only ones the man will ever have the benefit of trial by jury.
 
Precisely. Ronald Struve is now in a position to challenge those laws. He has standing. Too bad he broke other law(theft and/or receiving stolen property). This would make his case very similar to US v. Miller, but with the proper backing, could go a long way to unfettering our RKBA. Struve will still(most likely) end up in prison for the theft and/or receiving stolen property.

"Struve pleaded guilty in March to one count of possessing plastic explosives and four counts of possessing unregistered firearms. In return, the government dropped more than 100 other counts against him."

He can't challenge anything.....
 
However in answer to your question plenty of people were at risk. six pounds of C4 can make a pretty large firecracker, and storing it in a public setting (rented locker) is irresponsible and negligent, exposing other customers of the business, and the business itself to a threat that shouldn't be present.

Huh? You have no experience with plastic explosives I take it? Unless the stuff had blasting caps in it, there was no danger to anyone. You can burn C-4 without it blowing up, just don't stomp on the flame to put it out. The grenades could become unstable, but the explosives weren't a danger.
 
The right to hoard arms and maintain a well regulated one man militia.

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A prime example of how stupid laws don't do anything but manufacture criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens.

You mean "stupid laws" like those that prohibit you from buying stolen military weapons on the black market?

I'm having a hard time having much sympathy for the guy. It's not like he didn't know what he was doing.

No, I meant the stupid laws that drove that stuff into the black market in the first place.
 
It wasn't so many years ago that you could buy inert grenades from places like The Sportsman's Guide (amongst dozens of others). Who determined that the "pin out" grenade had ever been a live grenade?

Before 1968 it was legal to buy and own all sorts of weaponry that cannot be legally possessed by most residents of this country today. The 1968 GCA changed many things, so when exactly did this fellow buy his stash during the 'Vietnam Era"? How is it that members of this forum judge this guy by their subscription to the law as it is now?

They sure did determine quickly that 50 years ago some of these weapons were stolen. Seems like the recordkeeping ability must not have needed the very expensive enhancements instituted since the bginning of the use of computers by federal and law enforcement agencies. When did they become computer literate again? 1995?

Bought on the black market? Did he say that? Considering that most any gun type could be purchased through the mails, are those things concluded from the fellow's own statements taken as factual? I thought that they were considering him to be borderline whacked.

I wish I had a dollar for every cup of coffee and can of beans and weanies I've heated up with a pinch of C4 and my zippo lighter.

Hmm, I served with a guy from Washington state named Jim O'brien. Good friend. Nah, couldn't be him - beav liked his pot too much to be a retired sheriff.

He probably should have gone to someone to ask what could be done with his goods within the current structure, but heck, he evidently forgot he had the stash.
 
krs, I agree he should of got a lawyer, the lawyer probably could of worked out something with the authorities which could of included a better sentance outcome or even better. You can still buy those dis-armed grenades, they seem to be everywhere.
However remember this case probably took months to make it to trial, they had plenty
of time to look over records an see if the grenades were real or not, an so forth. We would have to read the trial papers to see all the facts, but seems what we have read so far, including the convection, comes out looking pretty guilty, remember he had months to prepare also, hopefully they went over everything, he may very well admitted alot we don't know about. He got 4 years, so that leads me to believe he co-operated, just my opinion...if it had been a younger guy, or skinhead they probably would of given him a ton more years..
 
Shykomish said:
"Struve pleaded guilty in March to one count of possessing plastic explosives and four counts of possessing unregistered firearms. In return, the government dropped more than 100 other counts against him."

He can't challenge anything.....

That would seem to put an end to it, I guess.

Woody
 
You know.... I've been thinking about getting a job as a storage unit Mgr. too! :p:D

It's really a shame. Today, he's labeled a felon who owned & stored illegal weapons & high explosives. Had the SHTF before he was found out, he'd be a hero! :banghead:

I'll bet the look on the faces of the folks who opened the storage unit were priceless!! :what:

SR :D
 
Are you guys saying that it is OK to not follow a law that you don't agree with or don't like? That it's OK to own illegal machine guns and grenades because you don't like the law?
Well, I wasn't going to actually say that, but since you brought it up.... Yes.

The fact that the munitions were (as far as we know) stolen, on the other hand, makes him morally wrong and he should be punished as such.
 
And that's enough of the thread drift into the legalities of the NFA.
Dang - what part of this was not clear to y'all?

Like it or not - we are a society of laws, and we will not debate in this forum whether or not those laws are just or unjust. They simply are what they are, and all the bellyachin' in the world won't change them.

If you don't like the NFA - move your fanny over to Activism Planning and get crackin' to get the law changed. But so long as it's the law of the land - we will respect that law in this forum.
 
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