Suggestions for an Ar-15
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for the OP:
here's something you can do:
build an AR.
Building an AR has the following advantages:
-teaches you more about the platform
-allows you to spend the money on EXACTLY what you do want/need
-saves money in the long run
the disadvantages:
-worse resale if you make a 'frankenrifle'
-no warranty, since it isn't a complete rifle
but if you build it properly and are happy once you finish it, then that won't matter.
However, if you don't have the patience for that, then get a Colt, LMT, or Nobeske, or get a CMMG and stake the receiver plate yourself and swap out the BCG for a milspec one from Bravo.
here's something you can do:
build an AR.
Building an AR has the following advantages:
-teaches you more about the platform
-allows you to spend the money on EXACTLY what you do want/need
-saves money in the long run
the disadvantages:
-worse resale if you make a 'frankenrifle'
-no warranty, since it isn't a complete rifle
but if you build it properly and are happy once you finish it, then that won't matter.
However, if you don't have the patience for that, then get a Colt, LMT, or Nobeske, or get a CMMG and stake the receiver plate yourself and swap out the BCG for a milspec one from Bravo.
hadmanysons
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My 2¢, I have a S&W M&P15A. I like it. Only had one problem with the buffer retaining pin which they corrected promptly and never had a problem since. NEVER jammed after about 3000+ rounds and paid about $1100 for it about 4 days after E-day.
Flyin - can you "clover"? If so, what rifle are you shooting?
I am not sure how accurate my rifle is. I only use iron sights, so I am sure any limitation on its accuracy is my fault, not the rifle's fault.
Perhaps I will put a scope on it one day and see if I can "clover"...
Anyone have any experience with a DSC and a scope?
I am not sure how accurate my rifle is. I only use iron sights, so I am sure any limitation on its accuracy is my fault, not the rifle's fault.
Perhaps I will put a scope on it one day and see if I can "clover"...
Anyone have any experience with a DSC and a scope?
FlyinBryan
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not regularly enough to say i can.
the only rifles i see that regularly one hole group like that are the kreigers, sabres, shilens and the like.
after that they all seem to go about m.o.a.
check out some of the groups in my sig. (i didnt shoot them, but you can see what i mean.)
the only rifles i see that regularly one hole group like that are the kreigers, sabres, shilens and the like.
after that they all seem to go about m.o.a.
check out some of the groups in my sig. (i didnt shoot them, but you can see what i mean.)
I've read a gas piston is the way to go...numerous advantages.
Ruger recently came out with their version: Ruger SR-556; and there's a few others.
Ruger recently came out with their version: Ruger SR-556; and there's a few others.
No, wrong. DEA didn't buy any Colt semi-auto AR-15's for domestic use under that contract. They did buy some select fire M-4's for OCONUS use under a pre-existing contract, but now Colt has even lost out on that contract to LWRC.
The Colt internet guys were mad enough at DEA over the Rock River decision. I can't imagine how mad they are going to be over the latest one.
kwelz
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You should really make sure you have your facts strait before you post.
http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2003/07-July/04-Jul-2003/10-awd.htm
AWARDS - July 4, 2003
DEA-03-C-0030 - Estimated $115,142,537.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Sigarms, Inc., 18 Industrial Drive, Exeter, N. H. 03833
DEA-03-C-0032 - Estimated $85,923,935.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Rock River Arms, Inc., 1042 Cleveland Road, Colona, Il. 61241
DEA-03-C-0031 - Estimated $113,639,340.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Colt Defense LLC, PO Box 118, Hartford, Ct. 06141
As you can see RRA got the smallest part of the contract with the larger portion going to Colt and Sig. And it still doesn't change the fact that they are different than the Off the shelf guns you can buy from RRA. I do believe they offered them as a specialty item but they are also considerably more than an Entry Tactical.
http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2003/07-July/04-Jul-2003/10-awd.htm
AWARDS - July 4, 2003
DEA-03-C-0030 - Estimated $115,142,537.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Sigarms, Inc., 18 Industrial Drive, Exeter, N. H. 03833
DEA-03-C-0032 - Estimated $85,923,935.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Rock River Arms, Inc., 1042 Cleveland Road, Colona, Il. 61241
DEA-03-C-0031 - Estimated $113,639,340.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Colt Defense LLC, PO Box 118, Hartford, Ct. 06141
As you can see RRA got the smallest part of the contract with the larger portion going to Colt and Sig. And it still doesn't change the fact that they are different than the Off the shelf guns you can buy from RRA. I do believe they offered them as a specialty item but they are also considerably more than an Entry Tactical.
!I think you need to learn how government contracts work before you post. Awarding a contract is not the same as making purchases under it. DEA has purchased ZERO Colts and ZERO Sigs under those particular contracts.
And, if you don't believe me, or think I'm just pulling this stuff out of my ass, e-mail anyone at the FTU on Firebird and ask them (and, yeah, that's a what color is the boathouse at Hereford question).
blazerking78
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How does YHM stand up to the list?
kwelz
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So are you going to post any proof that the DEA purchased RRA guns but no Sigs or Colts?
You also haven't shown how off the shelf RRA guns are anything like the guns the DEA purchased. RRA Guns fall far short in many ways and I hope DEA agents never have to run their guns hard if they are anything like the ones I can buy from the LGS. No chrome lined barrel, no MP testing, etc, etc, etc.
The DEA guns may be different, and I hope they are. But I have always considered it pretty funny when people claim that the DEA contract means that RRA are great guns.
blazerking78 I haven't heard much on YHM guns. I don't think they ever replied to Rob about the chart but I could be wrong.
But for the money I am sure there are better options.
You also haven't shown how off the shelf RRA guns are anything like the guns the DEA purchased. RRA Guns fall far short in many ways and I hope DEA agents never have to run their guns hard if they are anything like the ones I can buy from the LGS. No chrome lined barrel, no MP testing, etc, etc, etc.
The DEA guns may be different, and I hope they are. But I have always considered it pretty funny when people claim that the DEA contract means that RRA are great guns.
blazerking78 I haven't heard much on YHM guns. I don't think they ever replied to Rob about the chart but I could be wrong.
But for the money I am sure there are better options.
Z-Michigan
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Right now you can get a Colt LE6920 on Gunbroker at $1275, maybe less. How the shortage has ended!!! You can also find a S&W M&P15 for under $900. You can also find a Charles Daly DM4-LE, which is very close to a Colt 6920 in features, for $1000 or less. Between those options I don't know how someone looking for a basic factory-assembled M4gery (barely a forgery in the case of 6920) could go wrong or need look any farther.
6920:
http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=139503560
6920:
http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=139503560
mulh222
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I own and like my Olympic Arms PCR (Politically Correct Rifle) very much and have no complaints with it.
FlyinBryan
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is there any way possible of you questioning people without sounding so abrasive and self-rightous?
you know what i mean?
couldnt you politely say something like "well, i disagree"???
would it be possible for you to show a little self control when advertising your superiority?
just constructive critisism.
ugaarguy
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I disagree. John Noveske said the following in an interview with Defense Review:
Reed Knight has made similar comments about the off axis recoil of piston driven AR-15 / M-16 systems. Eugene Stoner himself kept the AR-15 style bolt, but changed to a squared, railed, carrier & receiver when he designed the piston operated AR-18.
kwelz
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Yes perhaps I should have been a bit nicer.
I guess I just get a bit frustrated when people only tell half the story. For instance RRA supposedly being so good because of a relatively small DEA contract. I am passionate about quality firearms I guess it comes through a bit to strongly at times.
I guess I just get a bit frustrated when people only tell half the story. For instance RRA supposedly being so good because of a relatively small DEA contract. I am passionate about quality firearms I guess it comes through a bit to strongly at times.
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