My Rem 870 jamming up on me?

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bjk7

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I have a new-to-me Rem 870, syn stocked 12ga with a 26" barrel and remchoke. It also has the j-lock on the safety. Anyway, I have shot three boxes out of it. (International, 23/4" target loads made by Federal; and 2/34" Federal Game Loads, #8shot), About three times now, with the two different kinds of ammo listed, I have fired and the slide has just locked up tighter than a drum. No racking it back to eject without considerable effort. I have determined that the brass is getting stuck in the chamber. The last time it was so stuck that I had to bang the stock on the ground to eject the shell. When I put the spent shell that was stuck back in the chamber, it got stuck again. So I am fairly certain it is a ammo problem.

Also, I have had this problem once before. About 10 years ago my brother's Mossberg 500a did the same thing multiple times with a single box of ammo. Interestingly, the Mossberg's dual extractors would break free leaving the spent round jammed in the chamber. My 870's single extractor stayed firmly gripped to the spent case.

So, my questions are:

Have any of you wise shooters experienced this problem?

Is it merely an ammo problem? If so, any ammo that is particularly prone to jamming?

Any other ideas?


Thanks in advance,
-bjk7

P.S. Can I replace that safety button for one without j-lock? I hate that stupid thing!


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Have you cleaned it good? There is a factory coating of gunk that needs to get removed, especially from the chamber, on new 870s.

If cleaning does not do it, what is the condition of the brass after you force it out? Is it marred anywhere?
 
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I had similar problems with Winchester Universal and Federal bulk packs sold at Walmart. I almost busted my trigger finger trying to get some of those puppies to extract. I put the butt on my hip and yanked with both hands to clear the chamber, my right hand slipped a little, and my finger ended up between the pump and the receiver a smidge. Any more room in there and I'd probably have smashed it pretty good, but the force I was using to rack the slide caused it to pop out with minor crushing.
 
Hmmmm,
41magsnub, you know, I haven't cleaned it. That could be it, but all of the other shells cycled smooth as butter. However, there was a distinct black smudge on the brass (or is it a steel case on these shells?) on the cases that got stuck. I will scrub the chamber and see if that helps. I figured that the case was misshapened, or maybe even expanded.

Thank you for the reply. By the way, I see you are in Missoula 41magsnub. I am in Missoula too. I was grouse hunting yesterday up off route 200 out of Bonner. Saw a big 4x4 bull last night up there!! Can't wait for Sunday.

tmpick,
That is exactly what happened to me, and coincidentally, I bought the ammo at Wal-mart too, for 4.96 a box.
 
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Pull the barrel out and look into the chamber area. Is it nice and smooth? If you have a buddy with an 870, try his barrel and see if you still have the same problem. I have an 18" 870 barrel that has machine marks going around the chamber.
 
So, I looked at the chamber again. It looks to be smooth and shiny. I even scrubbed it with a piece of scotch bright and dish soap, (I don't have anything else on hand) and nothing really came out on the scrubber. No tool marks in the chamber either. While I had the barrel off I also dropped each remaining shell from the box into the chamber and all slid right in and would easily drop right back out. Also, I might add, no live shells were ever difficult to chamber, only a spent hull has lodged in the chamber after firing.
 
Yes you need to have the chamber polished. Mine I had did this with Winchester bulk pack from Wally World. Didn't do it with any others I tried. Anyway, my chamber also looked shiny and smooth to me. The gunsmith even commented on that when I took it to him to look at. I had read online to polish the chamber so I told him that's what I wanted. I never had a problem with Winchester bulk packs after he polished it.

This is one of the very very common problems with these guns. If you do a search you will find a lot of people having the same problem. This is also one of the reasons I don't like this gun so much. Sure it's not such a hard fix but a $3-350 gun should not need work right out of the box to correctly function.

Mine I had also had random jams too every so often that made me not like the gun much either.

I don't think the 870 Express models are nearly as reliable as some guys make them sound. At least not from my experience I had. I did have the Super Magnum one though which from things I've read seems to have a few more problems than the regular ones.
 
My 870 Express 3" would always jam up with the walmart winchester shells. Switch to another brand and it runs well.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone.
Well, I will be seriously dissappointed if I have to pay to get the chamber polished to shoot bulk pack ammo reliably because I can't afford to shoot anything but bulk pack. I hope that is not the case.
 
Common problem with the 870 Express and cheap Winchester 100rd Value Pack ammo. Its happend to me in the past. You either need to use better ammo and/or polish out the chamber.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone.
Well, I will be seriously dissappointed if I have to pay to get the chamber polished to shoot bulk pack ammo reliably because I can't afford to shoot anything but bulk pack. I hope that is not the case.
You shouldnt need to pay anyone to do it. Do a google search or search this site, theres lots of info on how to do it. You'll need a drill, old cleaning rod or wooden dowel works too, oil and some fine steel wool. No special tools required but some people have used a cylinder brake hone with great results. You just need to be careful with those because its easy to take away too much material. Just be sure to clean everything really well when your done to get rid of all the metal filings, they like to stick to things and cause premature wear and rust.
 
So, what does a chamber polish entail? How much should I expect to pay?

I suppose I would rather pay up front for a reliable gun with all ammo, rather than questioning whether or not I will get a follow-up shot. Otherwise, I would have bought a single shot. It often takes me more than one shot to get a bead on a grouse that just busted from the bushes.:rolleyes:

Edited to add: I Just saw your post sbarkowski. Thanks for the tip. sounds like something I can handle. I will look into it.

Again, thanks everyone. A lot of help here. Saved me a lot of headscratchin on my own.
 
read previous post.. probablly 6 bux in supplies assuming you already own a drill.
I'm the same way in believing that a pump gun should cycle 100% of the time. I almost sold my 870 until I found out it was fixable.
 
Never had a problem with my 870 at all. Could be you need the chamber polished like some have suggested. Remington 870's are nigh indestructable but sometimes you can get a bad one. It happens.
 
If you don't want to worry about polishing the chamber, just buy the WallyWorld bulk pack Remington stuff.
 
Go to the local auto parts store and get a drum brake wheel cylinder hone - fine. Just get a cheap one, mine was $8. Chuck it in the drill, put the barrel in a padded vise, squirt some oil in the chamber, insert the hone and pull the trigger and keep it moving from the back of the chamber to the front and back for about 4 minutes. Do not let the hone stones come more than halfway out of the chamber while it is spinning or instant train wreck. Wipe it out and look and it ought to be like a mirror. If it looks hazy, repeat.
Steel wool on something just burnishes the surface. If you want to get super fancy, as a final step wrap two patches on a bore brush and put a glob of Semichrome or Flitz in the chamber and then chuck the cleaning rod in the drill and spin that in the chamber for 5 minutes or so.
Whoever bought the gun new should have gotten Remington to fix it. They will, but most people don't ever go back to them, they just gripe.
 
Ditto on steel (silver colored) based shotgun ammo for Wally-world and other places. Never a problem with AA and similar. Have seen folks at trap club have the ejector on high-end O/Us and single bbls pop past the steel based junk! My solution .. buy good stuff!

Be very,very careful honing with any thing! Try a bit of super fine emery cloth on your tip!
 
Virginian,
thanks for the tips! Just googled "brake cylinder hone" and I see what you are talking about. Handy looking little tool. I think I will try with the fine grit sand paper and steel wool first. But, if that fails, it looks and sounds like the honer is the ticket for the job. Will have to give that a try, only as a last resort though.

One more question for you. I have a variable speed drill. Should I keep that hone running relatively slow, or speed it up? I see potential advantages/ disadvantages either way, but not quite sure. A little leary of honing with a stone though. I have had to reprofile a knife edge or two back in the day that were ruined after some quick, but very poor, honing skills.

Thanks again everyone for taking the time. It is refreshing how everyone here is so eager to offer help! Stand-up people here.
 
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Brownells and Midway have the standard safety buttons and they are easy to replace.
 
Xm21,
Yeah, about that stupid j-lock safety.... So is it interchangeable with standard safety buttons, or do I have to get a special one as a replacement? Are there any special tools required to replace it?
 
I think I run my variable speed drill about 1/3 to 1/2 speed, but I don't have a strobe at home. I forgot, put your hand on the outside of the chamber and if it starts getting anything more than lukewarm slow down and squirt a little more oil. Don't worry, the stones are so fine and the springs are so soft I don't think it would hurt anything if you did it for an hour.
 
I don't think you should go buy $6-8 worth of stuff to do it yourself. The reason I say that is the gunsmith only charged me $5 for him to do it while I waited. This was one that runs his shop out of his house. Has a gun shop in his basement open to the public. Another gun shop in a store front only wanted $10 to do it but I had to leave the barrel for a couple days.

I thought about doing it myself but decided it wasn't worth the risk of messing something up when I could have a gun smith do it for $5.

It's not a huge deal or expense just a hassle that should have been taken care of before it left the factory.
 
bjk7,it is a standard remington safety and detent.No special tools needed but a copy of Jerry K's 870 shop manual is a good thing for every 870 owner to own.
 
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