Can it be practical to use the same shotgun for home defense and skeet?

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This might be a very noob question, but I'm very much a noob and was curious how this might work.

I've fired a shotgun but never owned or maintained one... from what I understand you need a specialized choke for skeet? How does that work?

Many thanks in advance.
 
IMHO the best way to do both with one SG is to have two barrels -- one for each purpose. (Besides the choke issue, length comes into play.)

Some manufacturers sell (or used to, haven't shopped for these lately) combo sets where the gun comes with two barrels from the factory... but extra barrels abound, new and used, so don't necessarily get hung up looking for a combo set.
 
Well, a typical skeet barrel is going to be 26" or longer and could be a little unhandy coming around corners in the dark. However, skeet gun should be able to deliver a standard buck shot load as well as any other shotgun. If this is the only gun you had, I'd pull the choke out and load up with some buckshot for bedside use. Shove a choke in it and load up some 7-1/2 shot and go to the range. A variety of chokes can be used for skeet. However, if you were looking to purchase a gun, Remington, Mossberg and others are offering pump guns with two barrels, one for defense use and one for sporting purposes. That'd be a good way to have both applications covered without spending too much money.
 
Yep, two barrels is the way to go. And IMO, trap is much easier than skeet, therefore more fun and easier for a newbie. Skeet birds fly across from side-to-side mighty fast and can be damn hard to hit. Trap birds fly out away from you and give you more time to acquire the target.
 
I have an 870 that fills this role. I use an 18" barrel at night and the 28" during the day, when I am playing that is..
 
2 bbls

The postsare righr.Trap 1st.IMHO 2 bbls is also correct-BUT-both at once if you're going to graduate to skeet.Unless a fast shucker stations i+7 will give you fits shucking and getting on that 2nd bird.As for home defense-I'll ask a ?.If you were breaking into a home and the res pointed a shotgun at you,wouldn't you be more intimidated if TWO BLACK HOLES were pointed at you?
 
Lots of us have a "Serious" shotgun intended for defense and recreational shotguns that are for fun and food.

Often the shotgun is one and the same model, if not the same gun.

870s, 500s, 37s, 1300s, etc, are all pump guns and available with long barrels for fun and 18-22" barrels for when things go bump in the night.

One thing above that bothers me. No shotgunner I know will recommend taking a choke tube out for defense, though they may use a different one that provides more spread.

HTH....
 
Come on, guys and gals, when was the last time any of you needed to shotgun someone in your house? Sheesh.

Dan
 
Thanks for all the input everyone :)

Money is tight so I figure if I decide to make the investments towards a shotgun I might as well get the most for the value.

On the note of skeet and trap, I have actually tried both on a range oriented towards beginners. I got 18/25 on the trap and 12/25 on the skeet my first time firing a shotgun. :) I know it's nothing compared to the perfect scores I've seen people on here post, even multiple rounds in a row, but it's a start. I really enjoyed them and it seems that clay shooting is the most feasible kind of shooting sport for me to get into where I live.

Home defense is also a plus... everywhere I've lived I've had people try to break into my house.
 
I bought a moss 500 at a yard sale for $85, it had the 28 in barrel, bought a new 18 in barrel for $65, so now have the best of both worlds
 
I used one shotgun for house duty, deer hunting, and skeet for a long time.

It was a 26" IC barreled wingmaster.

You don't need more than one barrel.

It's far more important to really know how to run your gun well, then worry about a few extra inches on the barrel.
 
Any gun is better than no gun, some are just better at certain tasks. If it goes bang, it'll work.

Like my nephew says, "warm beer is colder than no beer". :rolleyes:
 
Come on, guys and gals, when was the last time any of you needed to shotgun someone in your house? Sheesh.

Never needed a fire extinguisher yet I keep three in the house.

Never needed an airbag but my car has four.

Haven't fell down the stairs in my house but I have hand rails on 'em.

Don't have a CO leak yet I have a CO detector.

I guess it's a matter of "better to have and not need..."
 
Come on, guys and gals, when was the last time any of you needed to shotgun someone in your house? Sheesh.

Y'know, you're right! I'm gonna giveaway my shotguns and handguns cause I have never "needed" any of them in my house. Come to think of it, I'm going to cancel my homeowners policy and dismantle those pesky smoke alarms too.:rolleyes:
 
Used to think an 18" shotgun was essential for HD until I read this...

Preparation for Home Protection
by
Iowegan

There is so much hype about what gun is best or what ammo will shoot through three New York City phone books that most gun owners get confused on what’s fact and what’s fiction. To complicate matters, the so-called “experts†that write articles for gun magazines, corrupt your mind with even more garbage. Seems every new gun or type of ammo they test is the best ever in the whole world.

I thought I would give the Iowegan point of view on the subject with unbiased, common sense risk assessment information. I don’t claim to be an expert but I do have many years of experience. We’ll start with some really basic stuff to include options for firearms, ammunition, accessories, sighting systems, and good old common sense procedures.

There are many different things to consider when using a weapon to protect yourself or loved ones in your home. There can be a huge difference in what you legally can or can’t do based on state and local laws. Example: in a few states, you are within your rights to use lethal force to protect your property. Most states exclude this and only allow you to protect yourself and other people. All states support home protection, without any special type of permit or license, other than what it takes to buy a gun. This document is not intended to be a legal guide so check the laws for your local area before you get in trouble.

Before we get into the details, let’s define the basic concepts. Your goal with home protection is to keep yourself and household members out of harm’s way should your home be invaded or if someone in your home is at risk of being attacked. The mission is to stop the attack, not to kill, maim, or destroy. In other words, don’t do stupid macho things so the wrong person ends up in prison or innocent people get hurt. Always keep this in mind.

There are hundreds of firearms to choose from but really only a few that meet the “sanity test†for home defense. I look at firearms just like I do with tools … always select the right one for the right job. In the bedroom, you want a gun that is easy and safe to use. If you wake up to an intrusion, you don’t want anything that requires much thinking or dexterity to operate. Your self-defense weapon(s) should be stored in a loaded and ready condition. When time is of the essence, you don’t want to be fumbling about trying to insert cartridges in a revolver or inserting a magazine in a pistol. There are too many opportunities to fail if you don’t follow these basic concepts. In my narrow-minded opinion, a revolver is much better suited for the bedroom than any other type. All you have to do is point and shoot … no inserting a magazine, jacking a slide, or even operating a safety catch …. just point and pull the trigger. Most any revolver from a snub nose up to a 6†barrel will do nicely. Anything longer than a 6†barrel gets a bit unmanageable. Typically, you don’t need a lot of firepower in a bedroom gun. Five or six rounds should be more than enough.

To be effective, home defense weapons must be loaded and positioned for quick access. Of course the presence of non-adults require additional safety equipment such as a “GunValutâ€, see: http://www.gunvault.com/handgunsafesminivaultstandard/ or an equivalent. Depending on your home’s floor plan, you may need additional firearms or you may have to transport a single firearm from place to place. There’s not much sense in having a gun in the bedroom if you have to run upstairs to get it and leave your family unprotected while a bad guy kicks the front door in. Firearms located in key areas of the home can be a revolver or pistol. Just make sure they are located in the area where they will be accessible. Just like a fire extinguisher … you don’t want the fire between you and an escape route … likewise you don’t want the bad guy to get between you and your family. Find a “retreat area†in your home where you can go if someone is kicking the door down. Again, depending on floor plans, you may need more than one retreat areas, which would require more than one firearm. In my home, the master bathroom is my retreat area. From that location, I can arm myself and get positioned between the bad guy and my family. My wife and I occasionally go over our “emergency action plan†to make sure we both remember what to do if …. My wife heads for the master bedroom and I rush to the bathroom. From there, I open the GunVault and grab the revolver. I then have the advantage over the bad guy. If I’m not home, my wife knows the drill too.

Here’s some criteria for a home defense firearms and ammunition. You don’t need and in fact don’t want some big magnum gun loaded with bear killer loads. You want a weapon with manageable recoil, non-deafening sound, minimal muzzle flash, and loaded with ammo that won’t pass through the walls and injure or kill the family next door or the person in the next bedroom. Granted, there’s no such thing as a perfect cartridge but if you stack the odds in your favor, chances are you will emerge the victor without accidentally shooting an innocent victim. Of all the ammunition on the market, 38 Special lead hollow base wadcutters do the best job of meeting all the criteria. Wadcutters are intended for target loads so they are very accurate and low power, thus minimal recoil. The bullet is designed to cut a nice clean hole in the target instead of tearing a hole like a round nose bullet would do. They do the same with flesh and create a nasty wound that bleeds profusely. Because the loads are quite light, you won’t get a muzzle flash to blind you nor will you blow your ear drums out like a more powerful load will do when fired indoors without hearing protection. Last, the soft lead bullet will flatten when it hits any solid object. Likely they won’t go through an outside wall at all, and will lose most of their power if they go through an inside wall.

There really isn’t a good comparable load for a semi-auto. One weapon that meets most of the needs is a 45 ACP loaded with low power lead semi-wadcutters. Light target loads won’t function well in most 45 ACP pistols without installing a light recoil spring. They tend to penetrate deeply so walls aren’t much of an obstacle to innocent victims.

For home defense, ammunition tends to drive the type of firearm. In this case, a 38 Special or 357 Mag revolver loaded with 38 Special 148 gr HBWCs is the overall best solution for a bedside gun. It’s also a good solution for a retreat area weapon, however some people prefer a semi-auto pistol.

Home defense weapons don’t need many accessories. Unless you plan to carry the weapon, holsters are not recommended because they just take extra access time.
A GunVault mini-safe is a good idea if there are non-adults in the house. Access time from a GunVault isn’t much different than a gun sitting on a shelf. A loaded speedloader or magazine isn’t a bad idea even though statistics don’t support some big firefight in home invasion scenarios. Standard factory fixed or adjustable sights are fine. I like the Crimson Trace Laser Grips and have a set on my bedside revolver. It’s very intimidating when a bad guy sees a red dot on his chest. Besides, it makes the weapon much easier to aim in low light conditions and from awkward positions. Action jobs, or other custom work is not necessary … just a basic weapon that functions flawless.

This is no time to skimp so buy a good quality weapon. Though snub nose revolvers or compact pistols will work, the most manageable weapons are full sized guns with 4 to 6 inch barrels. Ruger GP-100s or S&W Mod 586/686 with a 4†barrel top the list. The larger size and heavier weights are in your favor, especially because you don’t have to carry the weapon on your person. Your home defense weapon can also be used as a CCW or as a range gun for fun and practice. Unless you live alone, make sure other adults in your home can also handle the gun.

38 Special, or 357 Mag with 38 Special HBWCs: low muzzle flash, low recoil, modest noise level, excellent accuracy, adequate stopping power, unlikely to penetrate walls. (best)

9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, or 44 Special: low muzzle flash, modest recoil, very loud, good accuracy, excellent stopping power, likely to penetrate both internal and external walls. (marginal)

380 ACP, 32 ACP or 22 LR: Modest muzzle flash, low recoil, modest noise level, poor accuracy, marginal stopping power, likely to penetrate interior wall but not exterior.
(poor)

Shotgun: excessive muzzle flash, heavy recoil, excessively loud, hard to miss accuracy, excessive close range stopping power, wall penetration depends on shot size and distance. (bad choice for indoors, excellent choice for outdoors)

357 Mag or 44 Mag: excessive muzzle flash, heavy to excessive recoil, excessively loud, good accuracy for the first shot only, overkill stopping power, excessive wall penetration. (bad choice)

Don’t confuse home protection with trespassing on the property outside the home. Here’s where an additional shotgun may be the best tool for the job. Just remember …. in most states, the laws for inside the home and outside the home aren’t the same. Check it out.

In conclusion, use some brains when selecting weapons or ammunition. Forget the macho crap and base your decisions on a good common sense risk assessment. Practice with your weapons, your equipment, and your accessories and make sure they all perform to your satisfaction. Make an “emergency plan†and use it. All adults in the home should be proficient with the weapons and know where and how to access them.
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Using the same gun is certainly practical, although maybe not perfect. Some compromises may need to be made. A 26"-24" barrel is actually not a bad choice on an auto or pump for skeet and is manageable for self defense. For trap and other shooting sports the shorter barrels are more of a disadvantage than skeet.
 
Shotgun: excessive muzzle flash, heavy recoil, excessively loud, hard to miss accuracy, excessive close range stopping power, wall penetration depends on shot size and distance. (bad choice for indoors, excellent choice for outdoors)

When your life is on the line, I am not sure that there is such a thing as excessive stopping power. I am not the biggest advocate of shotguns for home defense (I prefer an AR15 myself), but to say that they have excessive stopping power is kind of ridiculous. We've all heard stories where people have been shot with calibers that some may consider fairly powerful and not only survived but went on to kill innocent people.

If you have the option, take the long gun (AR/AK, Shotgun, whatever). They are far more effective. I don't care if I am indoors or outdoors, you have to bring enough gun.
 
DanLee, ca 1972 in Venice, Ca, I used an 870 to convince two "Socio-Economically Disadvantaged Youths" that breaking into my apartment in the wee smalls was not only illegal, but a really stupid idea.

No shots fired. That 870 had a 30" Full choke barrel and a decent set of wear marks.

These days, it's been shortened and reworked into a tactical shotgun and has a better set installed. It's still on duty.....
 
...loaded with ammo that won’t pass through the walls and injure or kill the family next door or the person in the next bedroom...

I'm sorry, but I've never been able to understand the mentality of someone who would worry more about using non-penetrating ammunition than about making double sure all members of the household were safely under cover behind them and their gun in the event it became necessary to fire said gun inside the home. No matter what gun you have, handgun, rifle or pistol, securing every member of your family is JOB 1 in any emergency. That calls for family emergency plans that are simple, clear and practiced.

lpl
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http://www.nrainstructors.org/CourseCatalog.aspx

Name : NRA Basic Personal Protection In The Home Course
Short Description : Teaches the basic knowledge, skills, and attitude essential to the safe and efficient use of a handgun for protection of self and family, and to provide information on the law-abiding individual’s right to self-defense.

More Details: This is an eight-hour course. Students should expect to shoot approximately 100 rounds of ammunition. Students will learn basic defensive shooting skills, strategies for home safety and responding to a violent confrontation, firearms and the law, how to choose a handgun for self-defense, and continued opportunities for skill development. Students will receive the NRA Guide to the Basics of Personal Protection In The Home handbook, NRA Gun Safety Rules brochure, the Winchester/NRA Marksmanship Qualification booklet, and course completion certificate.(Lesson Plan, revised 05/09)

The NRA Basic Personal Protection In The Home Course participants must be law abiding, adults (at least 21 years old), and experienced shooters (shooters able to show mastery of the basic skills of safe gun handling, shooting a group, zeroing the firearm, and cleaning the firearm) to maximize what can be learned from this course. Proof of shooting experience can be one of the following: NRA Basic Pistol Course Certificate, NRA FIRST Steps Course Certificate, NRA pistol competitive shooting qualification card, military DD 214 with pistol qualification, or passing the Pre-Course Assessment.
 
All great replies thank you so much :) A lot of excellent links and info.

Also glad to hear nobody was hurt that night, Dave.
 
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