TX repairman admits he helped smuggle guns

If he broke the law, he should be punished. That's why the laws are there. The existing system worked.

26-year-old Christian Garza

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......and was Mr. Garza here legally? Seems the news can't report that anymore.

What a dumb f---.

Does anyone think he'll survive for long in a prison anywhere near the border?!?

.....and was Mr. Garza here legally? Seems the news can't report that anymore.

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Why would they bother to report his status if he was here legally? Are you thinking that just because he has a Spanish surname that they need to stipulate his citizenship status?

Why would they bother to report his status if he was here legally? Are you thinking that just because he has a Spanish surname that they need to stipulate his citizenship status?

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Since the media has decided that illegal aliens aren't really a problem, they don't report it.
Am I suspicious when some one with a latino surname is caught selling guns to the mexican drug cartel? You're damn right.
My point being that IF he was here illegally, then the DHS has failed again by enabling this crime to take place.
So, was he?

Since the media has decided that illegal aliens aren't really a problem, they don't report it.
Am I suspicious when some one with a latino surname is caught selling guns to the mexican drug cartel? You're damn right.
My point being that IF he was here illegally, then the DHS has failed again by enabling this crime to take place.
So, was he?

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If he is here illegally, what would he have put on the form 4473????

If the dealer(s) allowed him to buy with an 'illegal' status, they are now in deep doo doo. There is no indication in the report that the dealer(s) are at fault. Ergo - legal sale - correctly completed 4473 - legal status citizen with hispanic sounding name.

"Smuggling" is heroic. This guy is a snitch.

Does anyone think he'll survive for long in a prison anywhere near the border?!?

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Sometimes LEO actually execute people that way intentionally, while never actually having any legal responsibility for that action.
It is not unknown for someone that never actually snitched to be given special treatment and it implied they snitched so organized crime will turn on them.
It is also not uncommon for criminals to actually snitch for a deal, which is why the ploy works well when they in fact did not.

Similarly the cartels often are behind the information that leads to busts, raids, and shootouts on rivals. They can do it through informants, and politicians and other bureaucrats they have relationships with.
The drug enforcement and LEO forces are often used as pawns to attack eachother. Just as smugglers even give them information to lead to token busts and make those who work with them look good.


Its all a game of manipulation, and as a result you don't really know what happened.

I can say that if you wanted to execute a member of organized crime or at least permanently cut them off from their group, a good way to do it would be to charge them, and then leak that the charges were dropped or reduced because they gave information.
Perhaps even citing him as a source or when that is too obvious merely implying in a very subtle way like through certain treatment he was a source of information which was actually obtained elsewhere.
For example information from another informant or a wiretap, or something simply correctly assumed through logical deduction can be implied to have come from the individual. Especially information he was known to actually have through some sort of surveillance.
That will result in a lot of suspicion from others in the highly paranoid world of organized crime. Suspicion that will either get him killed, or prevent people from working with him in the future.

So if they want to get rid of some nuisance or uncooperative individual, sometimes they just pretend he cooperated.

Thanks to the News and others who could not keep there mouths close these guys have closed up shop. So instead of haveing many in custedy we have one guy who wil most likely be killed in jial. I am not agenst the news reporting this kind of thing but I do think it should wait till the sting is donw, Same thing in iraq we let them know we are comeing.

Am I suspicious when some one with a latino surname is caught selling guns to the mexican drug cartel? You're damn right.
My point being that IF he was here illegally, then the DHS has failed again by enabling this crime to take place.
So, was he?

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I think you can cut the DHS some slack. While the DOJ release doesn't list nationalities, http://www.justice.gov/usao/txs/releases/May 2009/051809Pineda, Pineda and Pineda_print.htm , the Houston paper indicates the cartels like to use Americans and have found plenty given the current economy.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6732060.html

The latest, and one of the more significant players, was Christian Garza, 26, who admitted in federal court Friday to conspiring to lie to gun dealers about where the weapons were headed.
Garza's background and day job repairing windshields underscore part of the cartel's apparent strategy.
It enlists Americans who are both facing tougher economic times, so they may be tempted by quick cash, and have no felony convictions so they'll pass gun-buying background checks.

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I would also like to point out that 3 of the 10 indicted back in may did not have Spanish surnames. So are you worried about them being illegal aliens as well? They include Reginald Keith Menefee (Irish surname), Jecorey Dwann McGrough (Irish), Robert Allen Meachum (English).

If he is taking guns out of America and into Mexico, wouldn't the liberals praise him for getting guns off the streets?

Thanks to the News and others who could not keep there mouths close these guys have closed up shop. So instead of haveing many in custedy we have one guy who wil most likely be killed in jial.

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The real motivation for releasing the story was likely as a scare tactic to deter similar smuggling. Maximizing their funding and limited forces by highlighting those who are prosecuted for the crime. Which may go further in lowering such crime than could ever be achieved by busting more people quietly.


Denying people, good and bad, in Mexico the RKBA so armed Mexican police and military can rule with more absolute unchallenged authority is the goal.
And that goal is better achieved by scaring the 300+ million Americans away from participating in any smuggling than hoping to actually stop everyone physically. So I would venture it is actually more effective at reducing smuggling to publish such data than to keep it secret.

If he is here illegally, what would he have put on the form 4473????

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Let me quote:

he conspired to lie to gun dealers

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Somehow, I'm the bad guy because I DARE question the status of a hispanic who is selling guns to the mexican drug cartel?
HA!
So my question stands? Was he here legally?

I know, he's just doing the jobs Americans won't do. (like selling guns to the drug cartel)

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