can movie theatres legally do this?

it IS a moral issue......To respect another's wishes while on their property, or not.

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This implies that if I am really of black African descent, but I am light-skinned enough that I can "pass", & the owner wishes that I were white, I am being immoral by sneaking in?
I am being disrespectful of his rights?
I 'm not convinced that this is as clear-cut an issue as you suggest.

Deepsouth your response to question 1 and question 2 is conflicting. If the sign is the owner's stance on guns on the premises how is it not the owner's way of saying no guns allowed or do not enter carrying a gun?

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Lets say I don't like loud Motorcycles, if someone drives up my on my property on a loud bike I might not not necessarily like it, but that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't welcome.. a (nonlegal) sign is just a posting of a preference.(IMO)

Me? I'll carry anywhere not prohibited by law. If somebody has put up a sign that says "No Guns" and that sign doesn't have the force of law, I'll carry if I please (now, honestly, I'd vote with my pocketbook and go elsewhere... but for the sake of the discussion...).

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Would you like a repair man to carry into your home when it's just your wife there? How comfortable do you feel?

Maybe instead of being antagonistic towards an owner in HIS place of business on HIS property, you would be better off talking to him and finding out why he feels that way and try to persuade him otherwise.

Most gun stores and similar places around here prohibit you from carrying a loaded weapon into the business - and those are the gun-friendly places.

This ground is packed solid from the many, many times we've run over it.

Short answer, "yes." A business owner or manager can post pretty much anything they want.

In some states, a "no guns" sign carries the force of law.

In some states, a "no guns" sign CAN carry the force of law, IF the sign meets a certain description.

In some states, the law says where you may and may not carry -- and no property owner's or manager's opinion can change that either way.

In pretty much all cases, IF you are indiscreet enough to display your weapon and are asked to leave because of company policy or the manager's private agenda, you must do so or you can be charged with trespassing.

In all cases, you have the right to refuse to patronize an establishment that treats your rights with such disdain.

Whether you acquiesce to the property owner's or manager's posted dictum (outside of your legal obligation in some states) is entirely your decision.

Some folks hold supreme the right of the property owner to have their own way in all things.

Other folks hold their own right to a privately held means of self defense to be higher still.

As you can already see in this thread, one side will usually cast around a bunch of semi-veiled insults as to the character and honor of the other side. And vice-versa. "You do it your way, and I'll do it mine. As long as you do it my way you "snuck up ol gun slob." LOL!

-Sam

So if they put up a sign that you can't talk about "something" you should follow that as well? Would someone try that with our First Amendment rights? I think NOT. Why should the Second be any different?

Well I bet if you were using profanity you could be asked to leave a place of business.

So if they put up a sign that you can't talk about "something" you should follow that as well? Would someone try that with our First Amendment rights? I think NOT.

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Actually, that happens all the time. Hell, we do it on this board. The First Amendment stops the government from abridging free speech and no one else.

It's really sad that so many people go on about their rights to do this and that and don't even understand the most basic principles of the Consitution.

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here in MI you can't carry a gun in a place that has the capacity to hold 2,000 or more people. like big movie theaters, football/baseball games etc.

not sure about the logic, doesn't make any sense to me.

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Not true. MCL 750.234d states that a person may not possess a firearm in a theater. It makes no stipulation on building capacity, but it does make an exception (subsection 2c) for people who have a CPL.

MCL 28.425o restricts people with a CPL from carrying a concealed pistol into an entertainment facility with a “seating” capacity of 2500 or more individuals.

Try talking about doing something illegal to an elected official and see where that gets you; or scream the proverbial "fire" in a theater, or joke about bombs in the airport, and on and on.......

...the beauty of private property...of which businesses are...is that you get to have it your way about a lot of things...no alcohol, no smoking, no bare feet or exposed midriffs...no guns...just like if it were your home...
...I don't like being told what I can and can't do when I know that my carrying is GOOD for them as well as me...but I love being in America where he has that right...and so do I....wouldn't want someone in my place of business with his boots up on the table, cussin' loud and running off my everyday customers...I'm glad they have the right to decide those things...

Full Metal Jacket, there is a loophole in MI law that let's you OC in pistol-free zones as long as you have a CPL.

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really?

...the beauty of private property...of which businesses are...is that you get to have it your way about a lot of things...no alcohol, no smoking, no bare feet or exposed midriffs...no guns...just like if it were your home...
...I don't like being told what I can and can't do when I know that my carrying is GOOD for them as well as me...but I love being in America where he has that right...and so do I....wouldn't want someone in my place of business with his boots up on the table, cussin' loud and running off my everyday customers...I'm glad they have the right to decide those things..

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Exactly - and you have the choice to spend your money in his business.....or not

I hear AMC is anti gun. Am I right? We have hollywood and starplex here in waco and no signs are posted or i would bot spend my money there. Time Warner cable is the only place ive seen it here.

But what about Ruger LCPs they would never suspect a thing.

I know that in Georgia, establishments can post signs that say "no firearms allowed" and if you don't comply you can be charged with trespasing when asked to leave and refuse. However, let me add a wrinkle:

If any establishment, in any U.S. State, posts a sign sayin "No blacks allowed", they are violating the civil rights (afforded by the constitution) of the African Americans in question.

That being the case, why aren't the establishments that post "No guns allowed" violating the Constitutional rights of the people in question?

Doesn't make much sense to me.

Would you like a repair man to carry into your home when it's just your wife there? How comfortable do you feel?

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I would hope so. I tend to find empathy and understanding easier among like-minded individuals. Good to know this repair man has the sense to concern himself with his own safe-keeping.

Maybe instead of being antagonistic towards an owner in HIS place of business on HIS property, you would be better off talking to him and finding out why he feels that way and try to persuade him otherwise.

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Yes, no reason not to bring it up with the manager, if you're in a proselytizing mood. But there is no reason to suggest that carrying a concealed, hidden, un-disclosed, last-ditch emergency use self-defensive weapon could be construed to antagonize the property owner in any way. So that's a null point.

Most gun stores and similar places around here prohibit you from carrying a loaded weapon into the business - and those are the gun-friendly places.

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Wow, that is STRANGE! Here in PA the big gun stores have signs that say, "All guns should be uncased and unloaded. This does not apply to our customers who carry concealed firearms." Of course, that's just the big box stores -- but it is nice to have it posted clearly for all to see. The little stores generally don't seem to need to explain that detail to their customers.

it IS a moral issue......To respect another's wishes while on their property, or not

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Wow. Talk about faaaaar down on the hierarchy of "moral issues!" My passage onto or through private property does not depend on my understanding, agreement with, nor acquiescence to the beliefs or opinions of the owner. He might not like my religion, my skin color, the size of my butt, the smell of my breath, the candidate I voted for, my favorite beer, my boxers, my briefs, my mustache, or my gun. He can post signs about them, collectively and in their various parts, if he so wishes. But until and unless he instructs me to depart from his property, I'm under no obligation to acknowledge, respond, or react to his opinions in any way, whatsoever.

-Sam

Forcing persons to allow firearms on their property under color of law gives fodder for them to demand you not have firearms on your property. The beauty of the American ideal is the common man respects the rights and property of others.

But until and unless he instructs me to depart from his property, I'm under no obligation to acknowledge, respond, or react to his opinions in any way, whatsoever.

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Right ON!!

But until and unless he instructs me to depart from his property

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Isn't the sign instructing you to not enter? Just do what you want let's all let the antis win by not being responsible gun owners.

Never knew this was a forum for attorneys....better go before the sharks find out I'm not represented....

I hate airplanes for this reason. 9-11 would not have happened if CHLs were allowed to carry on board.

I go by state law.

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Works for me.

Isn't the sign instructing you to not enter?

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If the sign does not carry the force of law, then no. His coming to me, personally, and telling me to leave (should he so choose) then DOES carry the force of law as my refusal to comply would be trespassing. If the law viewed his sign as binding, then so would I. As the law (in my jurisdiction) is blind to his sign, so am I.

Just do what you want let's all let the antis win by not being responsible gun owners.

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Sorry, my carrying a sidearm privately, discreetly, and legally, for the defense of my self and my loved ones is the very definition of responsible gun ownership. There is no way that my doing so aids the antis' cause in any way whatsoever, and you should be quite embarrassed to have written such a thing.

-Sam

I'm not the one with the "do what I want attitude". Good luck to you sir.

But there is no reason to suggest that carrying a concealed, hidden, un-disclosed, last-ditch emergency use self-defensive weapon could be construed to antagonize the property owner in any way. So that's a null point.

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It is if it violates the beliefs and ideals of the property owner - if you do not want to abide by the owner's wishes - don't go in. Besides, from your flippant attitude towards the rights of others, why would you WANT to support a business like that?

What do Virginia laws say about CC? Thanks